Anonymous wrote:Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

You sound like an unhappy and bitter person. I hope that you find peace.

Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

Anonymous wrote:Great. But none of his ECs really stands out. His SATs aren't unusual for black kids at the Ivy League either. His class rank is excellent, but if anything a little low for an Ivy.

In fact, he seems unusual in that he is a throwback to the old days when colleges were looking for the "well-rounded" candidate as supposed to the new focus on "passion."

I just can't imagine a student who would think they were a good fit for, and want to attend, all 8. And let's face it, there are better non-Ivys than Cornell, for instance. It seems to have just been a ploy to get bragging rights.

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That's completely backwards actually. Blacks get worse grades in college than their sat score would predict. Most studies have not found any significant bias in tests, and even the few that claim to only find a small amount on the verbal section
, and none on the math. Indeed, the gap on the math section is larger than the gap on the verbal section.

With regards to amount of prep, there have been multiple studies that show that blacks actually engage in more test prep than other groups. One quote: "Black non-Hispanic students are more likely to participate in test prep, and there are also significant interaction effects of race and grade level on prep, with black 11th graders having the highest predicted probability of prep."

No idea if the quality of the prepping was taken into account, but most studies show that prepping has fairly modest impact on average; about 50 points or so.

What planet are you from? Show me your passport. Every SAT parlor I've been in across the land seems populated by Asians and Whites ... even in the ghettos!

That's completely backwards actually. Blacks get worse grades in college than their sat score would predict. Most studies have not found any significant bias in tests, and even the few that claim to only find a small amount on the verbal section
, and none on the math. Indeed, the gap on the math section is larger than the gap on the verbal section.

With regards to amount of prep, there have been multiple studies that show that blacks actually engage in more test prep than other groups. One quote: "Black non-Hispanic students are more likely to participate in test prep, and there are also significant interaction effects of race and grade level on prep, with black 11th graders having the highest predicted probability of prep."

No idea if the quality of the prepping was taken into account, but most studies show that prepping has fairly modest impact on average; about 50 points or so.

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

I'm white and I don't have a bit of trouble with black kids getting in with lower SAT scores. Admissions offices consider the whole package. SAT scores are only one piece of the information they receive.

SAT scores under predict the performance of black kids by quite a bit. On average, black kids do better in college than their SAT scores would suggest. That may occur for a couple of reasons:

1) Black kids on the whole are less prepared for the SAT.

2) They face psychological barriers when taking it. Expectations matter a tremendous amount. When a person is told that members of her demographic group do well on a test, they do better. When a person is told that members of his/her demographic group does poorly, they do worse. It's called stereotype threat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat

3) The test is biased against black kids.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/sat

Because there is evidence that the test and testing situation are biased and the test scores for black kids underpredict their performance, lessening the emphasis on SAT scores for black kids is completely fair. Score ranges are flexible for all sorts of groups, including legacies and children of very important people and celebrities and student athletes. Why aren't you railing against the admissions advantage those groups have?

BTW, even if that kid isn't more qualified than your snowflake, he is a more interesting student to have on campus. He has an interesting story (child of immigrant parents from Ghana). Your snowflake sounds like a dime-a-dozen bright kid from a high SES group in an overrepresented area of the county. It always helps to have something that makes you stand out.

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Great parenting job mom/dad! While you’re poisoning your daughter’s mind by teaching her to see her “whiteness” as a handicap, please make sure she also knows that she lost out to white legacies, and other similarly situated whites with better extracurriculars and geographic diversity.

Unlike your daughter, this kid had to overcome negative racial stereotyping, low expectations from teachers (not every teacher, but trust me, there was at least one), stereotype threat, etc. However, unlike you, he did not cast himself as the victim. Because of what he had to deal with (“the soft bigotry of low expectations” from many people like you), he is actually more qualified for admission to those universities than white students with similar numbers. Your daughter may not have been admitted to any Ivy League school…if she had applied, but not because she’s white.

You sound like an unhappy and bitter person. I hope that you find peace.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't brag to those I know, but will on an anonymous forum... DD got into all 7 of the Ivy League schools she applied to last year (she was not interested in Cornell, so didn't apply).

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you apply to all 8?


In case he didn't get into 7 of them?

I just can't imagine a student who would think they were a good fit for, and want to attend, all 8. And let's face it, there are better non-Ivys than Cornell, for instance. It seems to have just been a ploy to get bragging rights.

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Anonymous wrote:All fighting over the token.

Are you jealous because no one is fighting over your kid?

Exactly!

No, I am jealous because my kid isn't black. Therefore, she applied to not a single Ivy, despite having higher SATs than this kid, plus other stuff that wouldn't matter, because she's white. Why bother applying?

Can we assume that your kid also had the same ECs? Also, your kid is competing against other white kids, and maybe didn't meet their standards. Ever think of that?

By the way, according to CNN, this kid plays three instruments for the chamber orchestra, sings in an a cappella group, throws shot put and discus for the high school's track and field team, participates in student government and has had a lead role in school plays since the ninth grade.

That kid could've gotten in on a music or sports scholarship. What's your kid's excuse?