Anonymous
03/29/2014 23:40
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anyone who seriously considers this should familiarize herself with the following phrase - failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted.
Anonymous
03/29/2014 23:34
Subject: Re:What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There are two types of lawsuits that I can imagine:
1) If DC govt decides to end all OOB feeder rights to the WOTP schools, in order to solve the crowding problem, the practical result might be de facto segregation. Deal/Wilson, and to a lesser extent Hardy, will be very white, while the schools EOTP will be very black. I could see some (black) EOTP parents trying for a civil rights/desegregation case. Request a desegregation order, demand that students be put on buses or demand to keep the OOB feeders etc.
Look at the OOB percentage of Deal and Wilson, their racial makeups and their capacity. Ending OOB feeder rights would shrink Wilson by about 10% and Deal not at all. There would still be lots of OOB kids at both schools, they would just be different OOB kids than the ones who come in through feeders. You could argue they might be more diverse than the kids there today. Both schools are very diverse and would remain so even if feeder rights were eliminated. Reducing crowding is a compelling state interest and the impact would be negligible.
This isn't true for Deal. If you remove all OOB from Deal (including feeder and lottery, although most of it is feeder lately because Deal doesn't even offer OOB lottery spots anymore), the school shrinks and whitens significantly.
You are right about Wilson - there is not as much of an overcrowding problem there. And at Hardy there currently is excess capacity.
But nobody's talking about pushing all of the OOB kids out of Deal. With the current construction Deal is at capacity but not overcrowded. They're not going to have seats sitting empty just to spite OOB kids, those seats are going to be filled and they're going to be filled with OOB kids. What's up in the air is how those OOB kids are going to get there, whether the only ticket in will continue to be through the feeder schools. There's a strong argument that eliminating the feeder right would actually make Deal more diverse.
Anonymous
03/29/2014 23:17
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Here is why ward three needs to give a damn about what happens to other kids in the city. At some point Charters will represent 75 percent of kids In dc. It will represent such a small part of the electorate that funding it in comparison to the charter system won't make sense. You can push out the oob kids complain about those kids that harm your child, your narrow view will so undermine the system that you will loose the political support. Thinking less parochial might help you in the long term.
Not sure I follow- that charters will become so big that DCPS will fold?
Anonymous
03/29/2014 23:09
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Here is why ward three needs to give a damn about what happens to other kids in the city. At some point Charters will represent 75 percent of kids In dc. It will represent such a small part of the electorate that funding it in comparison to the charter system won't make sense. You can push out the oob kids complain about those kids that harm your child, your narrow view will so undermine the system that you will loose the political support. Thinking less parochial might help you in the long term.
Anonymous
03/29/2014 09:18
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:The whole boundary change discussion with respect to Deal and Wilson is just ridiculous, to begin with...they are neighborhood schools, for goodness' sake...from the sound of it, the OOB folks want to take gerrymandering to new levels, like, draw a map of a giraffe and put its head around Deal and Wilson. The neck goes down through Adams Morgan, across Columbia, and the body starts somewhere around 7th street into NE.
It would be called a Kaya-raffe-mander.
Can you win a lawsuit based on how silly the school borders look?
Anonymous
03/28/2014 12:57
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
The whole boundary change discussion with respect to Deal and Wilson is just ridiculous, to begin with...they are neighborhood schools, for goodness' sake...from the sound of it, the OOB folks want to take gerrymandering to new levels, like, draw a map of a giraffe and put its head around Deal and Wilson. The neck goes down through Adams Morgan, across Columbia, and the body starts somewhere around 7th street into NE.
It would be called a Kaya-raffe-mander.
It would be called a Kaya-raffe-mander.
Anonymous
03/28/2014 12:35
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
I am starting to change my views on this....If OBB kids are not really an issue for Deal over crowding and they help to keep Deal diverse....let them stay. The Wilson boundary does need to change....it is too big!
Thanks previous posters for helping me to see the light.
Thanks previous posters for helping me to see the light.
Anonymous
03/28/2014 12:33
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
no because those people are opting in voluntarily. The lottery would be imposed and parents cannot opt out of educating kidsAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:$$$ this lottery would amount to a new tax, inequitably appliedAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That the loss of proximate access will result in significant financial stress for parents who now have to arrange transport to distant schools and lose having an older sibling close by so have to pay for aftercare. And that the overcrowding is artificially created in the first case.
Great. What's your
cause of action?
Except that if having to arrange transport to other schools, consider private school, and/or not having access to Wilson made for a winning legal case, lots of families who are already not IB for Wilson would have already won it by now, no?
Anonymous
03/28/2014 11:57
Subject: Re:What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There are two types of lawsuits that I can imagine:
1) If DC govt decides to end all OOB feeder rights to the WOTP schools, in order to solve the crowding problem, the practical result might be de facto segregation. Deal/Wilson, and to a lesser extent Hardy, will be very white, while the schools EOTP will be very black. I could see some (black) EOTP parents trying for a civil rights/desegregation case. Request a desegregation order, demand that students be put on buses or demand to keep the OOB feeders etc.
Look at the OOB percentage of Deal and Wilson, their racial makeups and their capacity. Ending OOB feeder rights would shrink Wilson by about 10% and Deal not at all. There would still be lots of OOB kids at both schools, they would just be different OOB kids than the ones who come in through feeders. You could argue they might be more diverse than the kids there today. Both schools are very diverse and would remain so even if feeder rights were eliminated. Reducing crowding is a compelling state interest and the impact would be negligible.
This isn't true for Deal. If you remove all OOB from Deal (including feeder and lottery, although most of it is feeder lately because Deal doesn't even offer OOB lottery spots anymore), the school shrinks and whitens significantly.
You are right about Wilson - there is not as much of an overcrowding problem there. And at Hardy there currently is excess capacity.
Actually it is completely the opposite on overcrowding. Deal is probably not too bad, but Wilson is going to have serious problems. If you look at Deal's size, it alone can fill Wilson. And since Wilson's boundaries are practically half the city, the laws of physics demand that something change whether that is a city-wide lottery or the reopening of Western or a dramatic shrinking of Wilson's boundaries, etc.
Anonymous
03/28/2014 11:47
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming compensation for private school tuiton, DCPS City-Wide HS Lottery eliminating my guaranteed access to HS with acceptable academic standards .
Great. What is your cause of action?
Eh. Case:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/grahammotion.pdf
Perhaps DC should look across the river and try magnets as part of a geographic school , GT centers with public exam schools like TJ or Stuyvesant. http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/guidanceelem.pdf
This is just a motion seeking further relief under a settlement agreement...in Louisiana. How is it relevant?
http://dme.dc.gov/book/student-assignment-and-school-boundaries-review-process/dc-advisory-committee-student http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Parents+and+Community/Community+Initiatives/Boundaries+and+Feeders Any trailers or expansion of wilson when capacity exists at other schools? Read the law on school siting and drawing boundaries.
Moving Ellington to an undercapacity by right HS? Scenarios - co located magnets v 100& selective schools: http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Advisory%20Committee%20Presentation%20%235.pdf
Anonymous
03/28/2014 10:49
Subject: Re:What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There are two types of lawsuits that I can imagine:
1) If DC govt decides to end all OOB feeder rights to the WOTP schools, in order to solve the crowding problem, the practical result might be de facto segregation. Deal/Wilson, and to a lesser extent Hardy, will be very white, while the schools EOTP will be very black. I could see some (black) EOTP parents trying for a civil rights/desegregation case. Request a desegregation order, demand that students be put on buses or demand to keep the OOB feeders etc.
Look at the OOB percentage of Deal and Wilson, their racial makeups and their capacity. Ending OOB feeder rights would shrink Wilson by about 10% and Deal not at all. There would still be lots of OOB kids at both schools, they would just be different OOB kids than the ones who come in through feeders. You could argue they might be more diverse than the kids there today. Both schools are very diverse and would remain so even if feeder rights were eliminated. Reducing crowding is a compelling state interest and the impact would be negligible.
This isn't true for Deal. If you remove all OOB from Deal (including feeder and lottery, although most of it is feeder lately because Deal doesn't even offer OOB lottery spots anymore), the school shrinks and whitens significantly.
You are right about Wilson - there is not as much of an overcrowding problem there. And at Hardy there currently is excess capacity.
Anonymous
03/28/2014 10:31
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:$$$ this lottery would amount to a new tax, inequitably appliedAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That the loss of proximate access will result in significant financial stress for parents who now have to arrange transport to distant schools and lose having an older sibling close by so have to pay for aftercare. And that the overcrowding is artificially created in the first case.
Great. What's your
cause of action?
Except that if having to arrange transport to other schools, consider private school, and/or not having access to Wilson made for a winning legal case, lots of families who are already not IB for Wilson would have already won it by now, no?
Anonymous
03/28/2014 05:40
Subject: Re:What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
It would look like a big fat fail. Get a life people 
Anonymous
03/28/2014 01:41
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming compensation for private school tuiton, DCPS City-Wide HS Lottery eliminating my guaranteed access to HS with acceptable academic standards .
Great. What is your cause of action?
Eh. Case:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/grahammotion.pdf
Perhaps DC should look across the river and try magnets as part of a geographic school , GT centers with public exam schools like TJ or Stuyvesant. http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/guidanceelem.pdf
This is just a motion seeking further relief under a settlement agreement...in Louisiana. How is it relevant?
Anonymous
03/28/2014 01:37
Subject: What would a lawsuit over redistricting/school assignment look like?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Claiming compensation for private school tuiton, DCPS City-Wide HS Lottery eliminating my guaranteed access to HS with acceptable academic standards .
Great. What is your cause of action?
Eh. Case:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/grahammotion.pdf
Darn.. 3rd year law students hired by 21 Century Fund had not found this!!
DOJ website of treasure with cases :
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/
The law:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml;jsessionid=A4CB828D5294F938DA70F7DC1BC15273?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title20-chapter39-subchapter1&saved=|Z3JhbnVsZWlkOlVTQy1wcmVsaW0tdGl0bGUyMC1zZWN0aW9uMTcxNA%3D%3D|||0|false|prelim&edition=prelim
see 1703.
And? Which para of the statute would you rely on? (a) requires evidence of intent---the city govt run by blacks deliberately segregated black students from white? As for (c), the result would likely be more kids attending schools close to home, so scratch that. (e) brings you back to having to show that segregation was "the" purpose of the change.
These laws were meant to apply to the rural south, not urban areas where whites are a minority in overall population and in government.