Anonymous
03/24/2014 13:05
Subject: Re:IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
^^ FLATTEN
Anonymous
03/24/2014 13:05
Subject: Re:IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Anonymous wrote:It is about 7% for class of 2017 taking geometry.
Where is this number from?
Anonymous
03/24/2014 13:05
Subject: Re:IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
I will tell my TJ junior with the 4.0 that he is the "dumb one" Maybe that will flatter his ego a bit.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 13:04
Subject: Re:IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
It is about 7% for class of 2017 taking geometry.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 12:59
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Anonymous wrote:Again, back up with the numbers, please.Anonymous wrote:And this was years ago. It is different now. Much smaller chance of kids with Geometry getting admitted and much higher number and much higher chance of kids with Algebra II getting admitted.
+1
Anyone submit a FOIA request lately?
Anonymous
03/24/2014 12:54
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Again, back up with the numbers, please.Anonymous wrote:And this was years ago. It is different now. Much smaller chance of kids with Geometry getting admitted and much higher number and much higher chance of kids with Algebra II getting admitted.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 12:04
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
OP here, thanks so much for these stats and very detailed posts. I appreciate it and look forward to reading more opinions/facts etc.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 11:42
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
The stats from 2010 (4 years ago):
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%
Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.
It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.
Math 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1856 56.2% 65 13.5%
Geometry 1345 40.7% 346 72.1%
> Geometry 103 3.1% 69 14.4%
Total 3304** 480 100.00%
Above shows 65/1,856 (3.5%) were admitted for Algebra I applicants, 346/1345 (25.7%) were accepted for Geometry applicants and and 69/103 (69%) were accepted for higher than Geometry applicants.
It is more skewed towards applicants with >Geometry now compared to 2010.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 11:27
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The statistics above do show that there are a few more (statistically insignificant amount) of kids admitted to TJ with higher math than Geometry from 2008 to 2010 - the amount went up from 33 to 47 over that time - so there were 14 more out of 480 students.
But look at the PERCENT of applicants who took more than Geometry who got in … less than 10% each year. Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in. You'd even be better off going only through Algebra on the admission percentage.
This suggests that some portion of the applicants who are hyper-advanced in math are either cramming too much in to be credible (like purporting to master advanced math in summer courses), not taking HONORS math courses (which are harder and more in depth), are not testing well on the TJ admissions test (despite what classes they take), have mediocre teacher recommendations (perhaps focus only on math, not classroom leadership, or development of other skills), or are letting other grades slip (yes, those should and do matter).
"Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in." This is INCORRECT. 70% or so of the accepted TJ applicants have taken Geometry, it is not the acceptance rate. The acceptance rate is just 30% for students taking Geometry in 8th grade. For example, in 2010: 1215 Geometry students applied and 334 were accepted Or 27.48% acceptance rate.
And this was years ago. It is different now. Much smaller chance of kids with Geometry getting admitted and much higher number and much higher chance of kids with Algebra II getting admitted.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 10:08
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Anonymous wrote:The statistics above do show that there are a few more (statistically insignificant amount) of kids admitted to TJ with higher math than Geometry from 2008 to 2010 - the amount went up from 33 to 47 over that time - so there were 14 more out of 480 students.
But look at the PERCENT of applicants who took more than Geometry who got in … less than 10% each year. Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in. You'd even be better off going only through Algebra on the admission percentage.
This suggests that some portion of the applicants who are hyper-advanced in math are either cramming too much in to be credible (like purporting to master advanced math in summer courses), not taking HONORS math courses (which are harder and more in depth), are not testing well on the TJ admissions test (despite what classes they take), have mediocre teacher recommendations (perhaps focus only on math, not classroom leadership, or development of other skills), or are letting other grades slip (yes, those should and do matter).
"Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in." This is INCORRECT. 70% or so of the accepted TJ applicants have taken Geometry, it is not the acceptance rate. The acceptance rate is just 30% for students taking Geometry in 8th grade. For example, in 2010: 1215 Geometry students applied and 334 were accepted Or 27.48% acceptance rate.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 09:46
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
^It's still less than 10% of the class. Roughly 70% of the class have taken geometry in 8th grade and then take Algebra II in 9th. At freshman parent orientation, it was clear that most of the freshmen take Algebra II. They referred to the class as "TJ Algebra II" and indicated that it moves faster and covers more material than the regular Honors Algebra II class.
Anonymous
03/24/2014 09:35
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
PP here - you know what - I read the header wrong and did not check the numbers (bad!) - I thought percent admitted was the percent of applicants in the category admitted … lookes like you do have an advantage with greater than Geometry - more than 50% admitted, versus about 25% with just Geometry. Still - it's not a huge number of applicants or admittees with more than Geometry … less than 10% of the class in each year.
Your DC will be just fine with Geometry Honors in 8th grade and won't lose anything coming into TJ
Your DC will be just fine with Geometry Honors in 8th grade and won't lose anything coming into TJ
Anonymous
03/24/2014 09:28
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
The statistics above do show that there are a few more (statistically insignificant amount) of kids admitted to TJ with higher math than Geometry from 2008 to 2010 - the amount went up from 33 to 47 over that time - so there were 14 more out of 480 students.
But look at the PERCENT of applicants who took more than Geometry who got in … less than 10% each year. Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in. You'd even be better off going only through Algebra on the admission percentage.
This suggests that some portion of the applicants who are hyper-advanced in math are either cramming too much in to be credible (like purporting to master advanced math in summer courses), not taking HONORS math courses (which are harder and more in depth), are not testing well on the TJ admissions test (despite what classes they take), have mediocre teacher recommendations (perhaps focus only on math, not classroom leadership, or development of other skills), or are letting other grades slip (yes, those should and do matter).
But look at the PERCENT of applicants who took more than Geometry who got in … less than 10% each year. Almost 70% or more of the kids taking Geometry in 8th grade get in. You'd even be better off going only through Algebra on the admission percentage.
This suggests that some portion of the applicants who are hyper-advanced in math are either cramming too much in to be credible (like purporting to master advanced math in summer courses), not taking HONORS math courses (which are harder and more in depth), are not testing well on the TJ admissions test (despite what classes they take), have mediocre teacher recommendations (perhaps focus only on math, not classroom leadership, or development of other skills), or are letting other grades slip (yes, those should and do matter).
Anonymous
03/24/2014 08:47
Subject: Re:IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
New poster. If you look at TJ's school profile on fcps.edu, you can see for the last 3 years how many TJ kids took SOLs in Algebra 1, Geometry and Algebra II. Of course, not all of those of freshmen.
Math SOL, 2012-13, 2011-12, 2010-11
Algebra 1, 28, 79, 53
Geometry, 69, 100, 133
Algebra 2, 406, 435, 423
Total Math EOC SOLs, 503, 614, 609
9th graders, 475, 477, 473
I know that there is a way to get the breakdowns by grade because I have seen it, but I don't know how to get that data. Here is an example:
http://www.fcag.org/documents/9th_alg2_%20SOL%20Scores_TJ_10th.pdf
Math SOL, 2012-13, 2011-12, 2010-11
Algebra 1, 28, 79, 53
Geometry, 69, 100, 133
Algebra 2, 406, 435, 423
Total Math EOC SOLs, 503, 614, 609
9th graders, 475, 477, 473
I know that there is a way to get the breakdowns by grade because I have seen it, but I don't know how to get that data. Here is an example:
http://www.fcag.org/documents/9th_alg2_%20SOL%20Scores_TJ_10th.pdf
Anonymous
03/24/2014 08:35
Subject: IOWA test results and it's correlation to TJHSST
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most TJ freshmen take Algebra II.
The number is smaller every year.
Would you care to provide any facts to back up your opinion?
http://www.fcag.org/tjadmits2008.html
Math in 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1667 64.69% 125 25.77%
Geometry 859 33.33% 327 67.42%
> Geometry 51 1.98% 33 6.80%
Total 2577 100.00% 485 100.00%
http://www.fcag.org/tjadmits2009.html
Math in 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1841 62.3% 83 17.3%
Geometry 1048 35.5% 354 73.7%
> Geometry 64 2.2% 43 9.0%
Total 2953 100.0% 480 100.0%
http://www.fcag.org/tjadmits2010.html
Math in 8th Grade Applicants Percent Admitted Percent
Algebra 1 1830 58.8% 99 20.6%
Geometry 1215 39.0% 334 69.6%
> Geometry 70 2.2% 47 9.8%
Total 3115** 480 100.00%