Anonymous
03/16/2014 13:09
Subject: Churchill elementary
Because why?
Anonymous
03/16/2014 11:12
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:Neighborhood Colvin Run, Spring Hill, Sherman, and Churchill to Cooper
Neighborhood KG, Chesterbrook, and Haycock to LMS.
Neighborhood Westgate, Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Timberlane to Kilmer or Thoreau.
Numbers wouldn't even begin to work.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 22:52
Subject: Churchill elementary
Neighborhood Colvin Run, Spring Hill, Sherman, and Churchill to Cooper
Neighborhood KG, Chesterbrook, and Haycock to LMS.
Neighborhood Westgate, Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Timberlane to Kilmer or Thoreau.
Neighborhood KG, Chesterbrook, and Haycock to LMS.
Neighborhood Westgate, Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Timberlane to Kilmer or Thoreau.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 20:27
Subject: Re:Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:I think Franklin Sherman is a good candidate to switch to Cooper Langley. Right now it's a split feeder with some districted to Longfellow McLean and others to Cooper Langley. Since Cooper Langley seems to be less crowded, that makes more sense than switching Kent Gardens to Cooper Langley, since all but the AAP kids from KG go to LMS/McLean.
Switching FS to Cooper/Langley would leave the McLean pyramid with only four ES and would give Langley six. I don't think that will fly.
What might make sense is to redistrict some of the apartments in Tysons currently zoned to McLean or Marshall to Langley, which would shore up the declining enrollment and add a bit of much-needed SES diversity to Langley.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 19:48
Subject: Re:Churchill elementary
I think Franklin Sherman is a good candidate to switch to Cooper Langley. Right now it's a split feeder with some districted to Longfellow McLean and others to Cooper Langley. Since Cooper Langley seems to be less crowded, that makes more sense than switching Kent Gardens to Cooper Langley, since all but the AAP kids from KG go to LMS/McLean.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 16:06
Subject: Re:Churchill elementary
No. Send the Cooper AAP kids to Cooper.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 15:43
Subject: Churchill elementary
Or Kent Gardens could go to Cooper, since their AAP population currently attends Churchill.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 15:42
Subject: Churchill elementary
What about reshifting school boundaries? Clearly, some of the kids at Chesterbrook and Franklin Sherman could be shifted to 1/2 Cooper and 1/2 Longfellow.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 11:18
Subject: Re:Churchill elementary
Cooper's building capacity is 1080, not 894. That is stated in the CIP at page 38. If it is currently configured for fewer students, that's a function of its under-enrollment and can be addressed. The enrollment at Cooper is down 100 students over the past five years to roughly 750 students and projected to continue to decline over the next few years. There is no perfect solution here, but FCPS needs to make better use of its resources and the existing space at Cooper. Ceasing to bus AAP kids from Great Falls to Tysons clearly should be one part of the equation.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 11:03
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The "reference" to a potential Cooper renovation in the CIP, is just that -- a reference that it's needed. It's listed among renovations to be under construction "OR IN PLANNING" by FY2019. http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/cip/cip2015-2019pres.pdf Funds have not even been allocated, a step that usually happens years before an actual renovation. http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/docs/sb%20follow%20up%20responses/fy%202014/SBfollow-up14-19.pdf
No one is saying AAP kids can't go to Cooper until it's renovated nor would it only be GE kids at LMS or KMS in trailers, that doesn't make sense -- stop trying to make this AAP vs GE. It's in all students' interests for Cooper to build capacity before a lot of additional kids come to the school. Moreover, there is a 10 room mod at Cooper now & last I heard Longfellow either had no trailers or maybe were just getting 1-2.
Since no one is saying AAP kids can't go to Cooper until it's renovated, then, let's focus on the fact that Cooper has no trailers currently, whereas Kilmer has over a dozen and Longfellow already has several this year despite having just been renovated. Combine that with the projections that Kilmer will be at 133% of capacity by 2018, Longfellow will be at 115% of capacity, and Cooper will only be at 70% of capacity. That's a compelling case for taking steps now to introduce Local Level IV services to Cooper as soon as possible, with the goal of having all LLIV-eligible students in the Cooper district receiving those services there within a few years, before Kilmer becomes a Tysons trailer park.
You conveniently choose not to focus on the fact that Cooper's capacity is listed as only 894 based on the current space in the building. It now has 753 students, with 341 AAP students "migrated out." Sending them back to Cooper would result in an enrollment of 1094, 200 over capacity. That's not based on questionable 5 year projections, it's actual student numbers right now. Longfellow is just under capacity now. Kilmer is clearly over capacity now, but just shifting the problem to Cooper is not a great solution.
Anonymous
03/15/2014 10:17
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:
The "reference" to a potential Cooper renovation in the CIP, is just that -- a reference that it's needed. It's listed among renovations to be under construction "OR IN PLANNING" by FY2019. http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/cip/cip2015-2019pres.pdf Funds have not even been allocated, a step that usually happens years before an actual renovation. http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/docs/sb%20follow%20up%20responses/fy%202014/SBfollow-up14-19.pdf
No one is saying AAP kids can't go to Cooper until it's renovated nor would it only be GE kids at LMS or KMS in trailers, that doesn't make sense -- stop trying to make this AAP vs GE. It's in all students' interests for Cooper to build capacity before a lot of additional kids come to the school. Moreover, there is a 10 room mod at Cooper now & last I heard Longfellow either had no trailers or maybe were just getting 1-2.
Since no one is saying AAP kids can't go to Cooper until it's renovated, then, let's focus on the fact that Cooper has no trailers currently, whereas Kilmer has over a dozen and Longfellow already has several this year despite having just been renovated. Combine that with the projections that Kilmer will be at 133% of capacity by 2018, Longfellow will be at 115% of capacity, and Cooper will only be at 70% of capacity. That's a compelling case for taking steps now to introduce Local Level IV services to Cooper as soon as possible, with the goal of having all LLIV-eligible students in the Cooper district receiving those services there within a few years, before Kilmer becomes a Tysons trailer park.
Anonymous
03/14/2014 22:44
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesnt everyone say that all the McLean schools are big? Even Franklin Sherman? Its still has large class sizes but just a smaller school population.
If it was so large, then why would most people want to live in McLean? Just look at recent real estate prices shooting up!
I think people focus more on reputation and test scores, rather than class sizes. If it's McLean, it has to be the best right?! Class sizes are something that may bother you more after you have kids in the schools for several years and realize the impact.
I just read Gladwell's David and Goliath. He had some interesting things to say about class sizes. I realize his writing is sort of pseudo-science, but it was interesting.
What did he say?
Basically that the research is all over the place for class size. The distribution is an inverted U, meaning that a class size that's too small isn't good, as is one that's too big. He didn't give exact numbers, but there is a sweet spot. It was interesting because he talked about how everyone wants to reduce class size but it can be too small as well as too large.
Anonymous
03/14/2014 21:29
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesnt everyone say that all the McLean schools are big? Even Franklin Sherman? Its still has large class sizes but just a smaller school population.
If it was so large, then why would most people want to live in McLean? Just look at recent real estate prices shooting up!
I think people focus more on reputation and test scores, rather than class sizes. If it's McLean, it has to be the best right?! Class sizes are something that may bother you more after you have kids in the schools for several years and realize the impact.
I just read Gladwell's David and Goliath. He had some interesting things to say about class sizes. I realize his writing is sort of pseudo-science, but it was interesting.
What did he say?
Anonymous
03/14/2014 17:42
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[/google]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cooper is not scheduled for a renovation for years, and yet they want to turn it into a Level IV center overnight over the next year or two and dump about 200-300 kids there. Hope your kids enjoy trailers!
If it happens over a few years, that won't be overnight, will it? You sound like a particularly miserable troll.
[google]You sound more unpleasant than the PP you were calling a name. The truth is Cooper is not even scheduled for a renovation.
The tone of the prior post was ridiculous. If Cooper gets AAP phased in over a couple of years, it won't be turned into an AAP center overnight. No one will get "dumped" there and the reference to trailers is ironic, since there have certainly been trailers at Kilmer and Longfellow. And Cooper is definitely identified for a renovation in the latest Capital Improvement Plan.
So either someone is just whining again about their AAP kid getting moved out of Kilmer or Longfellow or just looking for an excuse to bash FCPS.
And you sound like a school administrator or Jane Strauss trying to argue for local level IV and all of its dubious merits-not a current Churchill parent. Sorry, but a lot of us aren't drinking the Kool Aid that Cooper is going to become the next Longfellow or Kilmer in the next year-it will take years to rise to the same caliber. Also, no renovation is planned for at least 5-6 years. Stick to facts and not urban myths.
I think you're making a straw-man argument. I haven't seen anyone argue that Cooper will have an AAP program identical to Longfellow or Cooper within a year. On the other hand, it could start off with LLIV and become a full-fledged center within a couple of years. As that happens, all three schools will evolve. The AAP program at Cooper would increase in size and the programs at the other schools would get smaller.
As for Cooper's renovation, it is specifically referenced in the CIP, even if other schools are going to be renovated first. The more important point, however, is that Cooper's enrollment has clearly been dropping in recent years and it is now well under its current capacity. You keep implying at AAP kids can't possibly be expected to attend Cooper until it has been renovated, but you apparently have no problem having GenEd kids at Kilmer and Longfellow relegated to trailers. If you have evidence that the projections for Cooper's future enrollment are flawed, you should share them with others here, and with FCPS. Otherwise, you simply come across as arrogant and demanding.
The "reference" to a potential Cooper renovation in the CIP, is just that -- a reference that it's needed. It's listed among renovations to be under construction "OR IN PLANNING" by FY2019. http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/cip/cip2015-2019pres.pdf Funds have not even been allocated, a step that usually happens years before an actual renovation. http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/docs/sb%20follow%20up%20responses/fy%202014/SBfollow-up14-19.pdf
No one is saying AAP kids can't go to Cooper until it's renovated nor would it only be GE kids at LMS or KMS in trailers, that doesn't make sense -- stop trying to make this AAP vs GE. It's in all students' interests for Cooper to build capacity before a lot of additional kids come to the school. Moreover, there is a 10 room mod at Cooper now & last I heard Longfellow either had no trailers or maybe were just getting 1-2.
Anonymous
03/14/2014 12:30
Subject: Churchill elementary
Anonymous wrote:[/google]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cooper is not scheduled for a renovation for years, and yet they want to turn it into a Level IV center overnight over the next year or two and dump about 200-300 kids there. Hope your kids enjoy trailers!
If it happens over a few years, that won't be overnight, will it? You sound like a particularly miserable troll.
[google]You sound more unpleasant than the PP you were calling a name. The truth is Cooper is not even scheduled for a renovation.
The tone of the prior post was ridiculous. If Cooper gets AAP phased in over a couple of years, it won't be turned into an AAP center overnight. No one will get "dumped" there and the reference to trailers is ironic, since there have certainly been trailers at Kilmer and Longfellow. And Cooper is definitely identified for a renovation in the latest Capital Improvement Plan.
So either someone is just whining again about their AAP kid getting moved out of Kilmer or Longfellow or just looking for an excuse to bash FCPS.
And you sound like a school administrator or Jane Strauss trying to argue for local level IV and all of its dubious merits-not a current Churchill parent. Sorry, but a lot of us aren't drinking the Kool Aid that Cooper is going to become the next Longfellow or Kilmer in the next year-it will take years to rise to the same caliber. Also, no renovation is planned for at least 5-6 years. Stick to facts and not urban myths.
I think you're making a straw-man argument. I haven't seen anyone argue that Cooper will have an AAP program identical to Longfellow or Cooper within a year. On the other hand, it could start off with LLIV and become a full-fledged center within a couple of years. As that happens, all three schools will evolve. The AAP program at Cooper would increase in size and the programs at the other schools would get smaller.
As for Cooper's renovation, it is specifically referenced in the CIP, even if other schools are going to be renovated first. The more important point, however, is that Cooper's enrollment has clearly been dropping in recent years and it is now well under its current capacity. You keep implying at AAP kids can't possibly be expected to attend Cooper until it has been renovated, but you apparently have no problem having GenEd kids at Kilmer and Longfellow relegated to trailers. If you have evidence that the projections for Cooper's future enrollment are flawed, you should share them with others here, and with FCPS. Otherwise, you simply come across as arrogant and demanding.