Anonymous
01/31/2014 12:59
Subject: Re:Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.
If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.
At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.
No, because the problem is who is drawing that line, and the fact that where that line is evolves and changes in societies. What should "society" have to say about someone's gender identity anyway?
Anonymous
01/31/2014 11:58
Subject: Re:Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.
If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.
At some point, though, society has to decide when to stay out of things and when not to. There must be boundaries. The fact that your boundaries and PPs are different doesn't mean that this isn't a boundary setting issue. Clearly, you can't "live and let live" about everything in a functional society, but people disagree about where to draw the line. Just agree to disagree, yeesh.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 11:57
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
You cannot engage with ignorance.
NP, it is interesting that people love labeling others ignorant because they don't agree with their beliefs. He is an embarrassment to his four children. This is something he should have done before he decided to procreate. His sons are already defending his actions by stating that Bruce is not seeking to be a woman. He is simply trying to look longer to keep up with Kris. denial all around.
Do you also consider homosexuality to be a "mental issue?"
Anonymous
01/31/2014 11:54
Subject: Re:Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.
If you don't want gender reassignment surgery or hormones for yourself, don't get one! Easy as that! Stay out of it for other people. Really, it's that simple.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 09:52
Subject: Re:Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
yes, I agree with one of the PP. he needs therapy and counseling, not hormones & surgery to turn a man into a woman.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 09:52
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
You cannot engage with ignorance.
NP, it is interesting that people love labeling others ignorant because they don't agree with their beliefs. He is an embarrassment to his four children. This is something he should have done before he decided to procreate. His sons are already defending his actions by stating that Bruce is not seeking to be a woman. He is simply trying to look longer to keep up with Kris. denial all around.
Gender identity disorder isn't an opinion, it isn't a "belief." It's a fact. Kind of like gravity.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 09:33
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would die if my son did that.
And your son/daughter would be better off for it.
Another loving, peaceful, tolerant liberal.
Another conservative who pretends they care about life, but would rather die than support their child.
Yup. The same conservative that "tickles" male interns and adopts the "wide stance" in public bathrooms. So tolerant they are... NOT!!!
Tolerant does not mean acceptance of all things. I am not the poster you are attempting to ridicule. I tend to lean left, vote primarily democrat do to the harshness of republican leaders, and yet i too have a problem accepting these transgender assignments, especially for those so advanced in age. You do a disservice to true liberals in your attempt to try to make them homogenous in thoughts.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 09:29
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
You cannot engage with ignorance.
NP, it is interesting that people love labeling others ignorant because they don't agree with their beliefs. He is an embarrassment to his four children. This is something he should have done before he decided to procreate. His sons are already defending his actions by stating that Bruce is not seeking to be a woman. He is simply trying to look longer to keep up with Kris. denial all around.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 06:17
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would die if my son did that.
And your son/daughter would be better off for it.
Another loving, peaceful, tolerant liberal.
Another conservative who pretends they care about life, but would rather die than support their child.
Yup. The same conservative that "tickles" male interns and adopts the "wide stance" in public bathrooms. So tolerant they are... NOT!!!
Anonymous
01/31/2014 06:00
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
You cannot engage with ignorance.
Anonymous
01/31/2014 05:16
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Gender identity disorder is labeled as a medical disorder. Of course, you can't ignore the psychology behind it either, as it does muddy the waters quite a bit!
Anonymous wrote:Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
Anonymous
01/30/2014 22:12
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Well, apparently you dropped out of high school before learning about birth defects and chromosomal abnormalities that cause a person to have the wrong genitalia or unclear genitalia where doctors just guess and assign a gender, sometimes incorrectly. There are lots of reasons people feel like they're born into the wrong body and most have nothing to do with mental illness. If your child was blind or deaf or had 11 fingers or club feet, wouldn't you try and get medical help to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible? Well, chromosomal abnormalities and hermaphroditic disorders fall under that category (I have no idea if this is Jenner's issue or not) and 64 yrs ago they really had no knowledge of this or way to test and thought if you raised a kid as a boy they'd identify as a boy.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
Anonymous
01/30/2014 21:48
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.
If I believe I'm a duck, it doesn't make me a duck. It makes me a human with mental issues. I should get treatment, not feather implants.
Anonymous
01/30/2014 21:01
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would die if my son did that.
That is really sad. I would support my sons. I will leave the rejecting up to the cold world and instead will always be a source of comfort and acceptance for my boys. My children are not an extension of me, they are their own people and I will always respect that.
There is no way that I would support genital mutilation. I would never support use of hormonal drugs that are dangerous. I hope to instill the idea of keeping a holistic approach to life in my kids. Feel the same way about women who get implants, and athlete who take performance enhancing steroids. Sick.
Yes, I also avoid steroids in milk and meat. No OCPs either. That is not what modern medicine is for.
No one knows why these people want to do a gender change, but I don't support it at all. In 200 years they will be laughing at us.
No one has been able to show that these folks are any happier after the transformation.
Your child is not an extension of you. I hope you learn that one day.
Anonymous
01/30/2014 20:29
Subject: Bruce Jenner continues his quest to become a woman
I am very close with someone who transitioned from man to woman at around the same age, and Bruce looks exactly like she did when she was midway through the process. The surgeries to soften facial features and reduce the Adam's apple usually happen before the rest of the changes, assuming Bruce takes that next step. If I recall correctly, there are waiting periods between operations and you have to be on hormones for a certain amount of time. It's a long process if you do it in the US under the care of a good medical team. If he believes he is a woman, then more power to him. He should live out the rest of his life the way he wants to, regardless of what the public thinks.