Anonymous
Post 10/07/2013 13:23     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
Wippee, another study.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2013 12:29     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Not rec sports lady. High School Sports start after school and usually run 2-2.5hrs The later time means kids get home later from school - and the coaches. So the argument of the poor little teens in the dark AM now are comng home in the dark PM. Oh, how will they survive out in the dark. Pulease people. Give your teens a longer leash and let them learn some common send and street smarts.


So the sports would be over by 5:15- 5:45 with the later start time and this is a problem ???? Why do the small number of poor little teens that chase a ball around court need to be home by 4:15 -4:45 instead of an hour later?

Makes no sense. Even it is did, an extracurricular activity enjoyed by a few kids in no way supersedes the health and safety of the entire school population.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2013 10:40     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People that cite family values refuse to read scientific research. Remember..they don't believe in science.

IMO the goal of a public education system is to actually teach the students and foster a good learning environment. This means you set appropriate start times. Sleep deprivation not only affects academic performance but it increases the chances for depression.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I have read in a long time.
People who have family values don't believe in science? That doesn't make any sense. Evidently for people who believe in science, believing in science is a family value? Do you need scientific research to tell you that family values come in all flavors depending on the families?
I don't even have a dog in this fight, but that was a truly stupid-a response.


I got tripped up on that response too!
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 17:56     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
Stupid idea. The superintendent bowed to the pressure of the soccer mon crowd.

If this comes to fruition they will be whining to change it back.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 17:18     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:The sports argument doesn't ring true to me. The only sports practice that is right after school is the one MSI team that is coached by a SAHM. Every other sport/practice is coached by a working dad or mom and starts at 5 pm or 6 pm.


Travel baseball games usually start at 5:30 -- 2 or 3 nights a week in season. Get there 45 minutes for warm-up and 30 minute commute. This is the baseball life but I know it doesn't fit with many of the other sports......
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 16:45     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
This whole thought that teen kids can not get up is ridiculous.

The only people that want this ate working families so they ship their elementary kids off to school longer.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 14:48     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Parents need to get over coddling their teen. I had 7am school start times 20 years ago but guess what, I didn't have an iPhone either. Or a computer or even a tv in my room. When I was told to go to bed, it was either reading or sleeping. And shocker, I went to sleep.


I had 7 am high school start times 30 years ago -- with no iPhone, or computer, or TV in the room -- and what happened was that kids fell asleep in class a lot.


really?

I graduated in '84. no computer, phone - nothing

I had a 7:25 start time. and guess what? The dummies in my classes were asleep. The motivated ones were up and ready to work.

Isn't that life?


Yes, really. The motivated ones fell asleep too.

Now, if your goal is to separate the motivated students from the "dummies", then yes, early start times are a good way to this, based on your experience (though not on mine).

However, if your goal is to get the students educated -- including the "dummies" -- maybe it would be good not to start school at times when they are more likely to fall asleep in class.


NP, I never once fell asleep in school. You are shifting them to sty up one hour later to go to school one hour later. That is it. High School starts early so kids can work after school but around here they are all spoon fed so that doesn't apply I guess.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 07:01     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Parents need to get over coddling their teen. I had 7am school start times 20 years ago but guess what, I didn't have an iPhone either. Or a computer or even a tv in my room. When I was told to go to bed, it was either reading or sleeping. And shocker, I went to sleep.


I had 7 am high school start times 30 years ago -- with no iPhone, or computer, or TV in the room -- and what happened was that kids fell asleep in class a lot.


really?

I graduated in '84. no computer, phone - nothing

I had a 7:25 start time. and guess what? The dummies in my classes were asleep. The motivated ones were up and ready to work.

Isn't that life?


Yes, really. The motivated ones fell asleep too.

Now, if your goal is to separate the motivated students from the "dummies", then yes, early start times are a good way to this, based on your experience (though not on mine).

However, if your goal is to get the students educated -- including the "dummies" -- maybe it would be good not to start school at times when they are more likely to fall asleep in class.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 06:48     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
By the way, as a quick follow-up to my post above about moving ES earlier. With MS and HS kids, I have less problem waiting around the house to get them off to school. They can go to school themselves. With my ES kid, I feel like I have to get him to the school door because he is younger and needs supervision.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 06:47     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
really?

I graduated in '84. no computer, phone - nothing

I had a 7:25 start time. and guess what? The dummies in my classes were asleep. The motivated ones were up and ready to work.

Isn't that life?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Parents need to get over coddling their teen. I had 7am school start times 20 years ago but guess what, I didn't have an iPhone either. Or a computer or even a tv in my room. When I was told to go to bed, it was either reading or sleeping. And shocker, I went to sleep.


I had 7 am high school start times 30 years ago -- with no iPhone, or computer, or TV in the room -- and what happened was that kids fell asleep in class a lot.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 06:46     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
I still wish they could move ES school earlier and put middle school later. It is a PIA to have school at 9:15 if you have two working parents. If you have a 30-45 minute commute, that puts you at work around 10am. What job starts at 10am?

THe current schedule is backwards.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 06:21     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:

Parents need to get over coddling their teen. I had 7am school start times 20 years ago but guess what, I didn't have an iPhone either. Or a computer or even a tv in my room. When I was told to go to bed, it was either reading or sleeping. And shocker, I went to sleep.


I had 7 am high school start times 30 years ago -- with no iPhone, or computer, or TV in the room -- and what happened was that kids fell asleep in class a lot.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2013 00:38     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
Anonymous wrote:The sports argument doesn't ring true to me. The only sports practice that is right after school is the one MSI team that is coached by a SAHM. Every other sport/practice is coached by a working dad or mom and starts at 5 pm or 6 pm.


Not rec sports lady. High School Sports start after school and usually run 2-2.5hrs The later time means kids get home later from school - and the coaches. So the argument of the poor little teens in the dark AM now are comng home in the dark PM. Oh, how will they survive out in the dark. Pulease people. Give your teens a longer leash and let them learn some common send and street smarts.

Parents need to get over coddling their teen. I had 7am school start times 20 years ago but guess what, I didn't have an iPhone either. Or a computer or even a tv in my room. When I was told to go to bed, it was either reading or sleeping. And shocker, I went to sleep.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2013 19:41     Subject: MCPS to study later start times
Teachers who plan pre-bell (before school starts) tend NOT to be the most organized.



Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds good. Do the teachers not have any required planning time outside the start and end times of the school day currently? I guess I thought that they likely needed to do some degree of plannign pre or post bell (my mom did when she was a teacher) so that that time could just be shifted to the middle of the day instead to allow for the recess time. And sure PT recess monitors would cost something but would cost a lot less than teacher time does.
Anonymous
Post 10/02/2013 14:26     Subject: Re:MCPS to study later start times
The sports argument doesn't ring true to me. The only sports practice that is right after school is the one MSI team that is coached by a SAHM. Every other sport/practice is coached by a working dad or mom and starts at 5 pm or 6 pm.