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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.

I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.

+100.
I also don't get the "my baby could read at 3" humble brag. At some point during the 12 years of learning, the European kids pass Americans kids when it comes to academics.Not sure how it happens or even when....

It's kind of absurd. They don't let the little kids play (everything is a "teaching moment" and every toy is "educational") but then, when they actually start school, they play in it, instead of studying!

24 month old. Can count to 15 in English and 10 in Spanish. He understands the concept of numbers and quantities. If I say count out 7 beans, he can. If I say bring me 3 cars, he will. He recognizes the numbers up to 10. So if I say what number is this he will say five. Alphabet wise, he has the song memorized and can recognize about 10 letters. He has no understanding of the concept of letters or sounds or any pre-literacy skills.

He knows this because we have taught him. He isn't a genius. If we had spent equal time teaching him bird sounds instead of letters/numbers he would probably be great at bird sounds and not know his letters and numbers.

Basically whatever you spend a lot of time on - they learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.

I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.

+100.
I also don't get the "my baby could read at 3" humble brag. At some point during the 12 years of learning, the European kids pass Americans kids when it comes to academics.Not sure how it happens or even when....

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.

I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

The irony is that, despite these early efforts, Americans are notoriously bad at math. Even smart ones, and even those with technical degrees are usually many steps below similar Europeans.

No idea & don't care. All I know is there are now in pre-K and 1st and they can do both. It's not a contest. My 20 mo old can't do either .... yet.

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DD is nearly 3.5 and can sound out each letter (I have not taught her the names of letters or the alphabet song); write nearly all of them (except the M, N and W) if presented with an example; and recognize a handful of sight words: I, am, the, a, ball, etc. She can write her 5-letter name unaided.

She can count to 10, but gets the teens jumbled up, and is starting to add with her fingers.

She is going to Montessori preschool in a week, where all of this will be reinforced and built on.

Note that my older son could not do any of this at that age, and is now reading and doing maths WAY beyond his grade level. Sometimes it just clicks later.

You don't know much about Montessori, do you?!

I have spent many years immersed in the Montessori method.
My older son, an ex-preemie like OP's, with developmental delays, benefited enormously from going to a Montessori preschool. The excellent teaching there contributed significantly to his amazing progress.
Don't be so rude.

If you have spent many years immersed in Montessori, you would know that your kid's future teachers do not want you "teaching" him the way you have been. Nor do they want you to focus so blindly on random things like memorizing a song or series of numbers.

I have taught her with the Montessori sandpaper letters and numbers, the same tactile way that her AMI-accredited teachers will do at school. No memorization of songs, if you can just take the trouble to read correctly. Montessori education can very well start in the home, in fact there are many excellent books devoted to the subject. You are unfortunately displaying your complete ignorance on the subject.

This thread is so ridiculous. OP, if your child learns to read and do arithmetic by 6/7 years old (not months old) then your child will be fine.

Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

I'm with you. Probably DD was five before she knew all her letters.

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DD is nearly 3.5 and can sound out each letter (I have not taught her the names of letters or the alphabet song); write nearly all of them (except the M, N and W) if presented with an example; and recognize a handful of sight words: I, am, the, a, ball, etc. She can write her 5-letter name unaided.

She can count to 10, but gets the teens jumbled up, and is starting to add with her fingers.

She is going to Montessori preschool in a week, where all of this will be reinforced and built on.

Note that my older son could not do any of this at that age, and is now reading and doing maths WAY beyond his grade level. Sometimes it just clicks later.

You don't know much about Montessori, do you?!

I have spent many years immersed in the Montessori method.
My older son, an ex-preemie like OP's, with developmental delays, benefited enormously from going to a Montessori preschool. The excellent teaching there contributed significantly to his amazing progress.
Don't be so rude.

If you have spent many years immersed in Montessori, you would know that your kid's future teachers do not want you "teaching" him the way you have been. Nor do they want you to focus so blindly on random things like memorizing a song or series of numbers.

Anonymous wrote:Could sing the song around 18-24 months and recite the numbers to ten around then. Between 2-2.5 he learned to count, recognize the numerals up to 20, and recognize all the letters independently.

Whether that seems young or old, I will add that both DH and I were early readers (learning between 3 and 4 on our own) and he has two grandfathers, 3 uncles, and 2 aunts who are mathematicians and engineers. So we are not surprised by his comfort with and interest in numbers, nor are we pushing/drilling/quizzing/emphasizing any of these skills.

We are both PhDs and engineers, and have several MDs, PHDs and engineers within immediate family (all my siblings, and my dad are PhDs). Our 2yo has no interest in books (refers to them with the word for 'crap' in our language), letters or numbers but is very socially savvy and physically advanced. You never know. We just let her be.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.

2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.

Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.

+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.

+1. My kid doesn't "read" at 3 because we haven't worked on it. He can memorize books but I don't kid myself that he's reading. I honestly don't know whether he knows all the letters or not. I am sure he can identify more farm equipment than 95% of the moms on here, and he is very good at interpreting radar on the Weather Channel. they learn what they are exposed to.

Could sing the song around 18-24 months and recite the numbers to ten around then. Between 2-2.5 he learned to count, recognize the numerals up to 20, and recognize all the letters independently.

Whether that seems young or old, I will add that both DH and I were early readers (learning between 3 and 4 on our own) and he has two grandfathers, 3 uncles, and 2 aunts who are mathematicians and engineers. So we are not surprised by his comfort with and interest in numbers, nor are we pushing/drilling/quizzing/emphasizing any of these skills.

DD started singing the alphabet song around 18 mo. She could recognize and name most written letters by 19 or 20 mo, but they really work on this at her daycare.

Now, at 22 months, she counts to 10 in English and Spanish (bilingual daycare) but she just started this. Doesn't recognize written numbers at all yet.