Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 17:30     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Um I think any sane rabbi would agree that healh I'd the individual comes first.
I don't don't an observant rabbi would compare eating bacon to a premature baby delaying a bris until he was stronger.

If you want, look around for a rabbi untl you find one who agrees with whatever you are seeking to do that might be contrary to teachings. That just seems there is little reason to consult a rabbi if you've already agreed whatever you want to do is Ok by some rabbi somewhere.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 17:23     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exceptions for health are not negotiable. An individuals health is most important (again, pregnant women fasting on yom kippur or a very premature newborn waiting on a bris).

Someone wanting to eat ribs or bacon is not the same, and it's a bit ridiculous to relate the two. I personally don't care either way, if you eat pig or have a bris, but there are actually methods to deal with health issues. Which is why if you want to know, you should talk to a rabbi.


...because rabbis all agree, right?


So you talk to several rabbis.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 17:15     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Anonymous wrote:Exceptions for health are not negotiable. An individuals health is most important (again, pregnant women fasting on yom kippur or a very premature newborn waiting on a bris).

Someone wanting to eat ribs or bacon is not the same, and it's a bit ridiculous to relate the two. I personally don't care either way, if you eat pig or have a bris, but there are actually methods to deal with health issues. Which is why if you want to know, you should talk to a rabbi.


...because rabbis all agree, right?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 17:12     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
I don't understand how you can say "it's not up for debate". Clearly people ARE debating it, as evidenced by this thread.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not "so sad", pp. Who are you crying for? My two beautiful Jewish sons? Please. Take your pity elsewhere.


I note that you didn't quote the previous message. that would be because it said that the mother was shaking the whole time and the father was as white as a ghost. They were clearly upset about the procedure and had mixed feelings about it. So yes, it's sad. I also think it's sad that the baby has his penis cut and scarred in the name of religion, but that's not what I was clearly commenting on.


I'm the same poster! My point is that it's a very tough day for new parents. It's scary and emotional- it's overwhelming to realize that you are doing what Jews around the world have been doing for thousands of years. I never for once had mixed feelings about it, absolutely never. We are Jews. We circumcise. It's not up for debate!!!

My boys are incredible kids, with access to amazing education, in a happy home with two loving parents. There are children living in poverty in drug addicted homes. Be sad for them.

I'm also the same poster who said that if I knew a Jewish friend didn't circ her son, I'd seriously question the friendship.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 17:05     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Exceptions for health are not negotiable. An individuals health is most important (again, pregnant women fasting on yom kippur or a very premature newborn waiting on a bris).

Someone wanting to eat ribs or bacon is not the same, and it's a bit ridiculous to relate the two. I personally don't care either way, if you eat pig or have a bris, but there are actually methods to deal with health issues. Which is why if you want to know, you should talk to a rabbi.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 16:25     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm the one who said I eat spare ribs and only go to temple on Yom Kippur. Circumcision is non-negotiable. Do whatever you want- no one can convince you otherwise. I go to a reform synagogue and if I met you in person and knew that you didn't circ, I'd never be friends with you. Of course, I have some non Jewish friends who didn't and I'm absolutely fine with it. But a Jew not circumsizing? Horrible.


I missed the part of the tanach where the commandments are sepated out into "negotiable" and "non-negotiable." Can you enlighten me?


And apparently it is, actually negotiable, if there are exceptions for certain circumstances.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2013 16:22     Subject: Has anyone done a Brit Shalom ceremony instead of a bris/circumcision for their baby boy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm the one who said I eat spare ribs and only go to temple on Yom Kippur. Circumcision is non-negotiable. Do whatever you want- no one can convince you otherwise. I go to a reform synagogue and if I met you in person and knew that you didn't circ, I'd never be friends with you. Of course, I have some non Jewish friends who didn't and I'm absolutely fine with it. But a Jew not circumsizing? Horrible.


I missed the part of the tanach where the commandments are sepated out into "negotiable" and "non-negotiable." Can you enlighten me?