Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:46     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:So..outraged white folks: What are you going to do in response to this Paula Deen scandal? Are you still going to criticize "black names" in your baby name threads? Still talk about "stores for poors"? Let your kids go to schools with a 75%+ population of black students?

What say you DCUM crowd? How will you stand up and change the racist views of America? Because, IMO, calling someone a nigger and demeaning them in other prejudice/stereotypical ways are the same.


I live in PG county and I think our school is closer to 90% black.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:43     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So..outraged white folks: What are you going to do in response to this Paula Deen scandal? Are you still going to criticize "black names" in your baby name threads? Still talk about "stores for poors"? Let your kids go to schools with a 75%+ population of black students?

What say you DCUM crowd? How will you stand up and change the racist views of America? Because, IMO, calling someone a nigger and demeaning them in other prejudice/stereotypical ways are the same.


I'm going to stay out of threads about Paula Deen started by bored women who want to fight with strangers on the internet.


LOLOL!
And I am the OP!
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:42     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:There is clearly a poster in here who just wants to fight. I think we all agree Paula Deen is gross. The other chatter is just absurd.



NP here. I don't agree. I LOVE her cooking, will continue to do so. I love southern food. Did she say something stupid in her lifetime? Yes! The "N" word was a gross thing to say. But I don't get how we can demonize her and say "we all agree" to calling her gross. FWIW, I agree with the shock and outrage PP. I *think* I know what you mean....
When someone seems so shocked an appalled that they just cannot fathom this instance- "certainly, not "I". Dear Lord, what has this world come to?" type language makes it all seems insincere and all too dramatic to be real. I'm sure it is, but the tone makes a difference.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:39     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
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Anonymous wrote:White mom here. Well, I'm shocked she would have such poor judgment. We NEVER use the "N" word - ever - nor have our kids. Nor our parents. Period. It's hate language.


Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm sorry that the poster above isn't shocked -- I wish this behavior was SO uncommon that hearing about it was like seeing a unicorn in the wild. That said, I think this info is "news" to people like me -- white, middle-class mom who has never once used that word and is still stunned to hear it.


I am the OP who is not surprised...
Not to be funny -- but you are a white middle class woman...not surprised that you ARE surprised
I have been black all my life..yea
NOT SURPRISED



I'm not quite sure what PP's comment means except to perhaps say that her life experiences are different than my belief system and values. But for what it's worth I'm upper class white, very well-educated and I have not a bigoted bone in my body and find this kind of language reprehensible and I'm surprised that Paula Deen would use such language. But then I was shocked by Michael Richard's comments. And Alice Walker's in her new book. And Mel Gibson's. I guess there are a--holes everywhere but the "N word" is simply not used by my family, my friends, my children, the schools I have been affiliated with or anyone else in my life and I would turn on the person and confront them if I heard it used by anyone.


You know what is irritating about these types of reactions and comments.
As an AA I have to deal with, steal myself against, recognize the existence of this mess all the time.
1 incident pops up in the media and folks, like yourself, probably well-meaning and sincere, act so surprised, outraged and up and arms..."well, i never," (clutching your pearls)...
when you know what...get a grip cause i have to deal with this s*** EVERY.SINGLE.STINKING.DAY.


OK look. The alternative is that we look away and tell you it's not our problem, because really, it isn't our problem. If you get called names every single day, that sucks for you. No one calls me anything.

But you know how that changes? When people like me (when I'm done clutching my pearls) go home and see this on the news with our kids and we say, "It's a horrible word with horrible connotations and I'll beat you senseless if I ever hear you use it."


Wow -- if you think the options you presented are the only ones available...then you are worse off than I originally thought...
This -- This right here is golden... a white lady getting indignant about a black person's being over your "surprise and shock' over some stuff they deal with on a regular basis.
Try this...try realizing that this kind of stuff happens all of the time...Just try being aware...
shock and awe is indicative of nothing...except you being shocked and awed and doing absolutely nothing till this happens again...


People ARE doing something. People are expressing outrage. Why are you pissed about that???


Personally -- not peeved about people expressing outrage, distaste, upset...whatever you want to call it...
What I find distasteful is people expressing so-called outrage then in the next breath saying no one I know would ever say that or think that...I didn't know people still actually used that word...
That's like someone reading about a horrible child abuse case and saying...I didn't know kids were still abused...I didn't know that still happend...while clutching pearls......gack!

Come on now..that's not even living in the real world...
And really...I find it somehwhat disingenuous...but hey that is just me ....


+1 You can be outraged all you like. I also don't appreciate that in the next breath people deny that this is a real issue. The denial doesn't help. We have not irradiated racism in this country, we simply pretend it isn't there. It also doesn't help that when an individual points out something that is racist, they are shamed for playing the "race card" and being a victim. It's not a card to pull, its my life. This is not rare, it happens every day. I promise you that someone you know is racist, and someone you know has/will use that word.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:37     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:So..outraged white folks: What are you going to do in response to this Paula Deen scandal? Are you still going to criticize "black names" in your baby name threads? Still talk about "stores for poors"? Let your kids go to schools with a 75%+ population of black students?

What say you DCUM crowd? How will you stand up and change the racist views of America? Because, IMO, calling someone a nigger and demeaning them in other prejudice/stereotypical ways are the same.


I'm going to stay out of threads about Paula Deen started by bored women who want to fight with strangers on the internet.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:36     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:You would honestly think that a post that basically condemns some big fat southern white lady for using the n word would be universally accepted as an OK post. Guess not.


Yup. Apparently the real outrage is the outrage being expressed over her overt racism. WHO KNEW???????


Who knew ?
Please re-read...it was not against outrage in general is about 1 poster's attitude and comments...


Should have been more specific...
1 poster's "shock"...
Black folk don't get to be "shocked" about stuff they know exists and happens all the time...
Outrage is one thing...shock is something totally different...
Yea -- it happens...all...the...time...
Where have u been?


I'm with you. I can only hope that the shock is feigned.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:35     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
So..outraged white folks: What are you going to do in response to this Paula Deen scandal? Are you still going to criticize "black names" in your baby name threads? Still talk about "stores for poors"? Let your kids go to schools with a 75%+ population of black students?

What say you DCUM crowd? How will you stand up and change the racist views of America? Because, IMO, calling someone a nigger and demeaning them in other prejudice/stereotypical ways are the same.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:31     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You would honestly think that a post that basically condemns some big fat southern white lady for using the n word would be universally accepted as an OK post. Guess not.


Yup. Apparently the real outrage is the outrage being expressed over her overt racism. WHO KNEW???????


Who knew ?
Please re-read...it was not against outrage in general is about 1 poster's attitude and comments...


Should have been more specific...
1 poster's "shock"...
Black folk don't get to be "shocked" about stuff they know exists and happens all the time...
Outrage is one thing...shock is something totally different...
Yea -- it happens...all...the...time...
Where have u been?
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:30     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
There is clearly a poster in here who just wants to fight. I think we all agree Paula Deen is gross. The other chatter is just absurd.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:30     Subject: Re:Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Hey, she admitted to using that word in her lifetime. She said she wasn't calling someone a Nigger directly. She used the world when telling the story to her DH about her being robbed.

I can honestly say when I was a kid (probably around 10) I used it when I repeated a racist joke I had heard. I'm not sure where I had heard the joke because it certainly wasn't from my parents. Actually, now that I think about it, I used the word today when telling the Paula Deen story to a friend of mine.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:27     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You would honestly think that a post that basically condemns some big fat southern white lady for using the n word would be universally accepted as an OK post. Guess not.


Yup. Apparently the real outrage is the outrage being expressed over her overt racism. WHO KNEW???????


Who knew ?
Please re-read...it was not against outrage in general is about 1 poster's attitude and comments...
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:23     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:White mom here. Well, I'm shocked she would have such poor judgment. We NEVER use the "N" word - ever - nor have our kids. Nor our parents. Period. It's hate language.


Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm sorry that the poster above isn't shocked -- I wish this behavior was SO uncommon that hearing about it was like seeing a unicorn in the wild. That said, I think this info is "news" to people like me -- white, middle-class mom who has never once used that word and is still stunned to hear it.


I am the OP who is not surprised...
Not to be funny -- but you are a white middle class woman...not surprised that you ARE surprised
I have been black all my life..yea
NOT SURPRISED



I'm not quite sure what PP's comment means except to perhaps say that her life experiences are different than my belief system and values. But for what it's worth I'm upper class white, very well-educated and I have not a bigoted bone in my body and find this kind of language reprehensible and I'm surprised that Paula Deen would use such language. But then I was shocked by Michael Richard's comments. And Alice Walker's in her new book. And Mel Gibson's. I guess there are a--holes everywhere but the "N word" is simply not used by my family, my friends, my children, the schools I have been affiliated with or anyone else in my life and I would turn on the person and confront them if I heard it used by anyone.


You know what is irritating about these types of reactions and comments.
As an AA I have to deal with, steal myself against, recognize the existence of this mess all the time.
1 incident pops up in the media and folks, like yourself, probably well-meaning and sincere, act so surprised, outraged and up and arms..."well, i never," (clutching your pearls)...
when you know what...get a grip cause i have to deal with this s*** EVERY.SINGLE.STINKING.DAY.


OK look. The alternative is that we look away and tell you it's not our problem, because really, it isn't our problem. If you get called names every single day, that sucks for you. No one calls me anything.

But you know how that changes? When people like me (when I'm done clutching my pearls) go home and see this on the news with our kids and we say, "It's a horrible word with horrible connotations and I'll beat you senseless if I ever hear you use it."


Wow -- if you think the options you presented are the only ones available...then you are worse off than I originally thought...
This -- This right here is golden... a white lady getting indignant about a black person's being over your "surprise and shock' over some stuff they deal with on a regular basis.
Try this...try realizing that this kind of stuff happens all of the time...Just try being aware...
shock and awe is indicative of nothing...except you being shocked and awed and doing absolutely nothing till this happens again...


People ARE doing something. People are expressing outrage. Why are you pissed about that???


Personally -- not peeved about people expressing outrage, distaste, upset...whatever you want to call it...
What I find distasteful is people expressing so-called outrage then in the next breath saying no one I know would ever say that or think that...I didn't know people still actually used that word...
That's like someone reading about a horrible child abuse case and saying...I didn't know kids were still abused...I didn't know that still happend...while clutching pearls......gack!

Come on now..that's not even living in the real world...
And really...I find it somehwhat disingenuous...but hey that is just me ....
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:22     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:You would honestly think that a post that basically condemns some big fat southern white lady for using the n word would be universally accepted as an OK post. Guess not.


Yup. Apparently the real outrage is the outrage being expressed over her overt racism. WHO KNEW???????
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:21     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
Anonymous wrote:None of this would surprise me. Of course she and her brother used the n-word; they grew up in Georgia in the 40s and 50s. My family is from Georgia and older uncles and such still use those terms on occasion. I don't condone it, but for people who grew up in the rural South in that time period, it was totally, totally normal. So no, if the Deen family used that word, I would not be the least bit surprised. The real question is does this woman suing them deserve to be compensated for hearing the Hierses/Deens use the n-word on occasion.


My dad grew up in South Carolina in the 40s and 50s and he would never use that word. Never. Sure his parents did, perhaps he even did when he was (a lot) younger but the world has changed a lot since the 40s and 50s. Anyone who is alive today has no excuse for racist attitudes even if they were formed in a different era.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:19     Subject: Paul Deen Use of the the "N" word
You would honestly think that a post that basically condemns some big fat southern white lady for using the n word would be universally accepted as an OK post. Guess not.