Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 19:31     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:Assuming there are "goose families". If a family comes here from another country to attend high school, it is likely to be a very good high school. The kid will then attend a good/decent college and likely a graduate school here as well. if the kid attended high school, college & graduate school here, chances are he/she will want to stay in the U.S. after spending all those years including teenage years instead of returning to the native country. The family would certainly pay tuition and other costs for college and grad school after attending a "free high school".

This person is likely to be an educated person paying taxes and contributing to the economy/society instead of committing crimes or receiving government assistance. May even fill one of the STEM jobs that are in shortage according to many of the hi-tech companies and further contribute to the economic activities. May even create jobs.

Would you rather see someone come here and NOT study hard and commit crimes and receive assistance? You have to look at all sides and not just the "free high school" aspect. I think there are millions of illegal aliens who do not study as hard and may not become a productive tax paying member of our society. That should be more of a concern than relatively few number of high achieving high school students getting a free high school education.



Assuming? Google it. One poster on here who said he/she is Korean said he/she knew two kids like this.
The rest of the post is just wrong. They go back to Korea. When asked why they do this the parents usually said their kids got a leg up in the corporate world in Korea where a US high school education is valued.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 19:16     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Assuming there are "goose families". If a family comes here from another country to attend high school, it is likely to be a very good high school. The kid will then attend a good/decent college and likely a graduate school here as well. if the kid attended high school, college & graduate school here, chances are he/she will want to stay in the U.S. after spending all those years including teenage years instead of returning to the native country. The family would certainly pay tuition and other costs for college and grad school after attending a "free high school".

This person is likely to be an educated person paying taxes and contributing to the economy/society instead of committing crimes or receiving government assistance. May even fill one of the STEM jobs that are in shortage according to many of the hi-tech companies and further contribute to the economic activities. May even create jobs.

Would you rather see someone come here and NOT study hard and commit crimes and receive assistance? You have to look at all sides and not just the "free high school" aspect. I think there are millions of illegal aliens who do not study as hard and may not become a productive tax paying member of our society. That should be more of a concern than relatively few number of high achieving high school students getting a free high school education.

Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 18:49     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm from NY and Stuyvesant (located in Manhattan) is also predominately Asian. Most of these Asians are US citizens born to Asian immigrants.

This year, Stuyvesant offered admission to 9 black students; 24 Latino students; 177 white students; and 620 students who identify as Asian.

It doesn't sound all that different from TJ.

I just wanted to add that it is not that easy to learn a new language. See how well you'd do on an entrance exam in Mandarin or Korean. Even if you wanted to, you would have a hard time acing the entrance exam and beating out natives. These kids are probably super smart.


Moot point methinks. They won't let you in to try. It's a one way street. Try waltzing into China or Korea and tell them you wish to enroll in school there.


Not a moot point, I did when I was in the Army.

It is hard taking an entrance exam in Koran and you do have to pass but they do have an affirmative action program for us white guys. Yonsai University is the top private University in Korea and has a great program for foreigners. Here is the application site. http://cmsdv.yonsei.ac.kr/grade/sub03/sub0301/sub03_01.asp

Be prepped for class if you want to pass....


o.k., well if you are stationed in the Army over there, then that may be a special circumstance.
not really euivalent to the goose families who come from Korea to the U.S. in elementary and middle school to take advantage of the free public education and then return to their homeland because of the benefit it gives them in Korea when applying for employment.
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 18:36     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm from NY and Stuyvesant (located in Manhattan) is also predominately Asian. Most of these Asians are US citizens born to Asian immigrants.

This year, Stuyvesant offered admission to 9 black students; 24 Latino students; 177 white students; and 620 students who identify as Asian.

It doesn't sound all that different from TJ.

I just wanted to add that it is not that easy to learn a new language. See how well you'd do on an entrance exam in Mandarin or Korean. Even if you wanted to, you would have a hard time acing the entrance exam and beating out natives. These kids are probably super smart.


Moot point methinks. They won't let you in to try. It's a one way street. Try waltzing into China or Korea and tell them you wish to enroll in school there.


Not a moot point, I did when I was in the Army.

It is hard taking an entrance exam in Koran and you do have to pass but they do have an affirmative action program for us white guys. Yonsai University is the top private University in Korea and has a great program for foreigners. Here is the application site. http://cmsdv.yonsei.ac.kr/grade/sub03/sub0301/sub03_01.asp

Be prepped for class if you want to pass....
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 20:43     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:I'm from NY and Stuyvesant (located in Manhattan) is also predominately Asian. Most of these Asians are US citizens born to Asian immigrants.

This year, Stuyvesant offered admission to 9 black students; 24 Latino students; 177 white students; and 620 students who identify as Asian.

It doesn't sound all that different from TJ.

I just wanted to add that it is not that easy to learn a new language. See how well you'd do on an entrance exam in Mandarin or Korean. Even if you wanted to, you would have a hard time acing the entrance exam and beating out natives. These kids are probably super smart.


Moot point methinks. They won't let you in to try. It's a one way street. Try waltzing into China or Korea and tell them you wish to enroll in school there.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 20:15     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:I hadn't heard the term "goose families" before, so I googled it. Now that is an eye-opener. One article said that while China and India send a lot of students to U.S. universities, Korea is distinguished becausxe it sends kids over here for elementary, middle school and high school as well. Then one has to wonder where they go after that. Back to Korea with the benefit of the U.S. education?


How can that be? I constantly read about how terrible the US educational system is.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 20:14     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
I'm from NY and Stuyvesant (located in Manhattan) is also predominately Asian. Most of these Asians are US citizens born to Asian immigrants.

This year, Stuyvesant offered admission to 9 black students; 24 Latino students; 177 white students; and 620 students who identify as Asian.

It doesn't sound all that different from TJ.

I just wanted to add that it is not that easy to learn a new language. See how well you'd do on an entrance exam in Mandarin or Korean. Even if you wanted to, you would have a hard time acing the entrance exam and beating out natives. These kids are probably super smart.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 19:44     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:I hadn't heard the term "goose families" before, so I googled it. Now that is an eye-opener. One article said that while China and India send a lot of students to U.S. universities, Korea is distinguished becausxe it sends kids over here for elementary, middle school and high school as well. Then one has to wonder where they go after that. Back to Korea with the benefit of the U.S. education?

What do you think?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 17:53     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
The families I know that do this do not appear to consider the US their home or permanent country. One family has one parent in the other country, the other has the whole family here. They are here legally, although I do not know the exact type of visa the parents have. When the children go to college on their own student visas, the plan is for the parents to return to their original country.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 17:25     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:I hadn't heard the term "goose families" before, so I googled it. Now that is an eye-opener. One article said that while China and India send a lot of students to U.S. universities, Korea is distinguished becausxe it sends kids over here for elementary, middle school and high school as well. Then one has to wonder where they go after that. Back to Korea with the benefit of the U.S. education?


Good point, PP.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 17:06     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
I hadn't heard the term "goose families" before, so I googled it. Now that is an eye-opener. One article said that while China and India send a lot of students to U.S. universities, Korea is distinguished becausxe it sends kids over here for elementary, middle school and high school as well. Then one has to wonder where they go after that. Back to Korea with the benefit of the U.S. education?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 16:38     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Actually, as I understand it, in order to attend an educational institution in the U.S. you need an F-1 visa. Without the F-1, you can only attend public school in the U.S. for ONE year.

In the case of many Korean "goose families" at least one parent has either U.S. citizenship or U.S. permanent residence, so they are able to get around this. Otherwise, I do not see how it is possible.


Agreed.


what about the H-1b visas. Can't someone bring their family. Has to account for the explosion in population of certain groups in this area in the last 10-15 years.


H-1b visas definitely count. That said, these people are their families are in the country legally and are able to send their children to any kind of public school.

Also, the majority of people on H-1Bs try to convert them into green cards. I know a number of families working for NIH who have done just that, having only been in the country for a couple of years.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 16:33     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Actually, as I understand it, in order to attend an educational institution in the U.S. you need an F-1 visa. Without the F-1, you can only attend public school in the U.S. for ONE year.

In the case of many Korean "goose families" at least one parent has either U.S. citizenship or U.S. permanent residence, so they are able to get around this. Otherwise, I do not see how it is possible.


Agreed.


what about the H-1b visas. Can't someone bring their family. Has to account for the explosion in population of certain groups in this area in the last 10-15 years.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 16:11     Subject: A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:Actually, as I understand it, in order to attend an educational institution in the U.S. you need an F-1 visa. Without the F-1, you can only attend public school in the U.S. for ONE year.

In the case of many Korean "goose families" at least one parent has either U.S. citizenship or U.S. permanent residence, so they are able to get around this. Otherwise, I do not see how it is possible.


Agreed.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:59     Subject: Re:A question about the actual students at Thomas Jefferson for anyone who has actually met them:
Anonymous wrote:
Don't understand why people can't face the fact that their little snowflake is just not as smart as that little yellow kid! Get over it!


The yellow kid. Good Lord!

The number of posts discussing Asians in this forum is staggering.



well if your kid is or has been in AAP it is very noticeable. Like about 70% Asian. Some are very Americanized and some not.
This is just a fact of life and it does change things in the classroom. Not saying good or bad - just saying it is a fact of life. Asians are hugely overrepresented in AAP and at TJ. This is probably due to being smart, applying themselves and culture, i.e., tiger moms and dads.

Not a criticism or "racism," just the way it is.