Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 16:00     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that larger older kids who belong in first grade DO AFFECT the kids who were not held back. (I'm talking about kids who are simply held back for reshirting purposes. There is no way that many kids were not developmentally ready). You have turned the kindergarten class into an 18-month span in age. It makes the age appropriate kids seem younger than they are! Of course we care when you hold back your kids just to give them an edge! It is very self centered to think that inappropriate ages don't aaffect the whole class. (btw, affect is a verb. Effect is a noun).


The last line came as no surprise given the general nature of this comment but both words can be properly used as both nouns and verbs. In the title to this thread "affect" was used incorrectly but "affect" can be used as a noun (e.g. "she was conspicuous in her lack of affect") or verb (e.g. "your opinion does not affect me"). "Effect" may also be used as a noun ("the effect of your comment was a lengthy sigh and rolling of eyes") or a verb (e.g. "if only you could proofread, your comments might effect an intelligent response").


You are just rude. What a nasty comment that has nothing to do with this subject matter. Are you this superior when not Anonymous?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:56     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Blah. Late September birthday here. Mine, not my kid. I was so glad DS was born in April so we would not have to worry about this issue, or so I thought.

I like to think my parents did the right thing -- sending me on time (okay, 3 weeks early). I was a bit of a social misfit, yet not socially immature. I just didn't fit in. I like to think I'd have been the same at any age.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:38     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that larger older kids who belong in first grade DO AFFECT the kids who were not held back. (I'm talking about kids who are simply held back for reshirting purposes. There is no way that many kids were not developmentally ready). You have turned the kindergarten class into an 18-month span in age. It makes the age appropriate kids seem younger than they are! Of course we care when you hold back your kids just to give them an edge! It is very self centered to think that inappropriate ages don't aaffect the whole class. (btw, affect is a verb. Effect is a noun).


The last line came as no surprise given the general nature of this comment but both words can be properly used as both nouns and verbs. In the title to this thread "affect" was used incorrectly but "affect" can be used as a noun (e.g. "she was conspicuous in her lack of affect") or verb (e.g. "your opinion does not affect me"). "Effect" may also be used as a noun ("the effect of your comment was a lengthy sigh and rolling of eyes") or a verb (e.g. "if only you could proofread, your comments might effect an intelligent response").

Thank you a/effect poster!
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:28     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Why is it so hard to understand that larger older kids who belong in first grade DO AFFECT the kids who were not held back. (I'm talking about kids who are simply held back for reshirting purposes. There is no way that many kids were not developmentally ready). You have turned the kindergarten class into an 18-month span in age. It makes the age appropriate kids seem younger than they are! Of course we care when you hold back your kids just to give them an edge! It is very self centered to think that inappropriate ages don't aaffect the whole class. (btw, affect is a verb. Effect is a noun).


The last line came as no surprise given the general nature of this comment but both words can be properly used as both nouns and verbs. In the title to this thread "affect" was used incorrectly but "affect" can be used as a noun (e.g. "she was conspicuous in her lack of affect") or verb (e.g. "your opinion does not affect me"). "Effect" may also be used as a noun ("the effect of your comment was a lengthy sigh and rolling of eyes") or a verb (e.g. "if only you could proofread, your comments might effect an intelligent response").
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:15     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:Why is it so hard to understand that larger older kids who belong in first grade DO AFFECT the kids who were not held back. (I'm talking about kids who are simply held back for reshirting purposes. There is no way that many kids were not developmentally ready). You have turned the kindergarten class into an 18-month span in age. It makes the age appropriate kids seem younger than they are! Of course we care when you hold back your kids just to give them an edge! It is very self centered to think that inappropriate ages don't aaffect the whole class. (btw, affect is a verb. Effect is a noun).


You are missing the point, no one here is talking about holding kids back for competitive reasons. The only parents raising competitive reasons are the anti-redshirt posters. Every single anecdote in this thread about holding a child back had to do with readiness. You make a lot of assumptions here, the first being that we are holding our kids back for comeptitive reasons and the second that it will have some kind of effect on your kids.

It makes me laugh, actually. You would probably have been one of the first parents to complain if your child had been in my DS' kindergarten a year before he was ready to be there.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 15:02     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:We're sending our August DS on time. I like to tell people, "We decided not to hold him back" rather than, "We decided to push him forward" because that is the truth!


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 14:26     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

+1
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 14:16     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Why is it so hard to understand that larger older kids who belong in first grade DO AFFECT the kids who were not held back. (I'm talking about kids who are simply held back for reshirting purposes. There is no way that many kids were not developmentally ready). You have turned the kindergarten class into an 18-month span in age. It makes the age appropriate kids seem younger than they are! Of course we care when you hold back your kids just to give them an edge! It is very self centered to think that inappropriate ages don't aaffect the whole class. (btw, affect is a verb. Effect is a noun).
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 13:25     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

If your small boy is bookish and not interested in athletics, maybe he won't care as much.

But if he's small yet athletic, it's a big problem come middle school and high school.


Not if he wrestles

—mom of tiny bad-ass


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 10:37     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Effects, not affects.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 10:36     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am the PP whose town posted a notice that kids need to start Kindergarten at age 5. Yes, if you show up with your 6.5 year old kid, they will be almost always be put in first grade. If the student has special needs, they will be given support services, in their grade, for their age. The school has a great team of special educators and they keep kids in their grade for their age with a ton of support. An occasional student will be held back, but that is rare.

If you are planning to have your child attend public school, and you are holding them back from kindergarten, do talk to the school soon so you are clear before you make a decision. You may have a first grader next year, instead of a kindergartener.


This is not what I experienced when I went to a Fairfax County public school to discuss whether my May 5-yr-old should go to their kindergarten in the fall. They were very open to the discussion, agreed that some children are not ready and let me observe and decide what was best for my son. The school counselor had a boy who she did not hold back. He came to her at the end of second grade and told her that he was not ready for third grade. She held him back and absolutely thinks it was the right decision but for the fact that she would liked to have done it in kindergarten to avoid having him separated from his friends. Her observation: "I don't know any parents who regret holding a child back. I know many that regret not holding a child back." I do not think they would allow my son to go to first grade next year because he won't be prepared for their first grade.

It is an individual decision. What I found so strange about this thread is all the angry, accusatory posts are from parents who did not hold their children back. Congratulations that your wonderful children were ready for school when the U.S. thinks they should be ready but why do you care if someone else's kids are not ready?


to me, it seems that the parents are the ones that aren't ready.


Ok, but even if that is the case, the question remains: why do you care? So, some parents aren't as advanced as you. Why not just smile with smug superiority and walk away?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 10:33     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

Anonymous wrote:
I am the PP whose town posted a notice that kids need to start Kindergarten at age 5. Yes, if you show up with your 6.5 year old kid, they will be almost always be put in first grade. If the student has special needs, they will be given support services, in their grade, for their age. The school has a great team of special educators and they keep kids in their grade for their age with a ton of support. An occasional student will be held back, but that is rare.

If you are planning to have your child attend public school, and you are holding them back from kindergarten, do talk to the school soon so you are clear before you make a decision. You may have a first grader next year, instead of a kindergartener.


This is not what I experienced when I went to a Fairfax County public school to discuss whether my May 5-yr-old should go to their kindergarten in the fall. They were very open to the discussion, agreed that some children are not ready and let me observe and decide what was best for my son. The school counselor had a boy who she did not hold back. He came to her at the end of second grade and told her that he was not ready for third grade. She held him back and absolutely thinks it was the right decision but for the fact that she would liked to have done it in kindergarten to avoid having him separated from his friends. Her observation: "I don't know any parents who regret holding a child back. I know many that regret not holding a child back." I do not think they would allow my son to go to first grade next year because he won't be prepared for their first grade.

It is an individual decision. What I found so strange about this thread is all the angry, accusatory posts are from parents who did not hold their children back. Congratulations that your wonderful children were ready for school when the U.S. thinks they should be ready but why do you care if someone else's kids are not ready?


to me, it seems that the parents are the ones that aren't ready.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 10:10     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

I am the PP whose town posted a notice that kids need to start Kindergarten at age 5. Yes, if you show up with your 6.5 year old kid, they will be almost always be put in first grade. If the student has special needs, they will be given support services, in their grade, for their age. The school has a great team of special educators and they keep kids in their grade for their age with a ton of support. An occasional student will be held back, but that is rare.

If you are planning to have your child attend public school, and you are holding them back from kindergarten, do talk to the school soon so you are clear before you make a decision. You may have a first grader next year, instead of a kindergartener.


This is not what I experienced when I went to a Fairfax County public school to discuss whether my May 5-yr-old should go to their kindergarten in the fall. They were very open to the discussion, agreed that some children are not ready and let me observe and decide what was best for my son. The school counselor had a boy who she did not hold back. He came to her at the end of second grade and told her that he was not ready for third grade. She held him back and absolutely thinks it was the right decision but for the fact that she would liked to have done it in kindergarten to avoid having him separated from his friends. Her observation: "I don't know any parents who regret holding a child back. I know many that regret not holding a child back." I do not think they would allow my son to go to first grade next year because he won't be prepared for their first grade.

It is an individual decision. What I found so strange about this thread is all the angry, accusatory posts are from parents who did not hold their children back. Congratulations that your wonderful children were ready for school when the U.S. thinks they should be ready but why do you care if someone else's kids are not ready?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 09:46     Subject: Re:Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

we have three boys-the older two, now a 4th grader and the other a second grader were both sent "on time" The fourth grader is a late summer bday and the second grader is a sept birthday. Our experience has been that academically, the younger kids "generally" are more mature and academically successful than the kids a year ahead. The older ones are the discipline cases-they clearly need to be around an older group. From a physical standpoint, it has been a bit of a struggle bc they are smaller than the older boys but they would be anyway bc my husband and I are small. We are not a big sports family so the sports thing is not important to us. Our kids have been tested at working between 2 and 3 grade levels ahead of their peers and socially they have friends and are well liked and accepted with no issues. My seven year old tells everyone that he is the smallest in the second grade but he is also the smartest-his words. I could not imagine holding them back. Luckily our third is a spring birthday.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 00:58     Subject: Long term affects - good or bad - of holding back from kindergarten

We're sending our August DS on time. I like to tell people, "We decided not to hold him back" rather than, "We decided to push him forward" because that is the truth!