Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 16:16     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:I'm afraid their may be a few. I read a post from someone who seemed to be less than sympathetic to middle class children looking to find a quality education. Her post, to me, seemed to imply that there should be a focus toward "FARMS" children, which I've come to know is code for poor African Americans. If this will be the focus and my middle class french family will be stigmatized I think I'll consider myself lucky to have my IBs school. The hatred and race-based grandstanding of people on this website is disgusting and poor for ALL kids. Inclusion of poor children and exclusion of the middle class as if these children cannot get along and coexist respectfully and lovingly is an example and precedent I don't want to introduce in my home. But, c'est la vie!


That's a lot to conclude will result from one single person's view.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 16:14     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:I'm afraid their may be a few. I read a post from someone who seemed to be less than sympathetic to middle class children looking to find a quality education. Her post, to me, seemed to imply that there should be a focus toward "FARMS" children, which I've come to know is code for poor African Americans. If this will be the focus and my middle class french family will be stigmatized I think I'll consider myself lucky to have my IBs school. The hatred and race-based grandstanding of people on this website is disgusting and poor for ALL kids. Inclusion of poor children and exclusion of the middle class as if these children cannot get along and coexist respectfully and lovingly is an example and precedent I don't want to introduce in
my home. But, c'est la vie!
and
hool's
I'm that poster who posted on the Yahoo group and I was very clear tbat this is a perso.al priority for me. Most of us on yahoo are introducing ourselves and saying basically what we're being drawn in by. I did not in my post claim to be the voice of the official voice of the future school's priority, and I am very troubled that you would take what I said there as a personal priority and take it out of context and post it here.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 15:53     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
I'm afraid their may be a few. I read a post from someone who seemed to be less than sympathetic to middle class children looking to find a quality education. Her post, to me, seemed to imply that there should be a focus toward "FARMS" children, which I've come to know is code for poor African Americans. If this will be the focus and my middle class french family will be stigmatized I think I'll consider myself lucky to have my IBs school. The hatred and race-based grandstanding of people on this website is disgusting and poor for ALL kids. Inclusion of poor children and exclusion of the middle class as if these children cannot get along and coexist respectfully and lovingly is an example and precedent I don't want to introduce in my home. But, c'est la vie!
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 15:51     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
People with a serious interest please join the yahoo group. I cannot speak for everyone, but I am not underestimating the work it takes to start an endeavor like this. I am totally overwhelmed with the prospect, but it seems the first thing is to become better informed and then if there's still interest and commitment do a feasibility study, which must address demographics, funding, scale, structure, etc. Constructive criticism is also very important and I welcome it, but its probably best if the Yahoo group discusses these issues there. Anonymous posts don't really mean much to most people.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 15:30     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
I wonder how many of you responding to this thread are actually on the yahoo group? I can't imagine very many.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 13:57     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:

I think you mean, 'ils disent n'importe quoi."


Thank you. I was trying to figure out if that was some colloquialism or idiom I hadn't encountered before.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 13:51     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:This school exists in PG County.

http://www1.pgcps.org/robertgoddardfrenchimmersion/

K-8 charter, 500+ students
MD "Green School" certified
Proficiency in the 90s
75% black, 25% FARMs

http://www.greatschools.org/maryland/seabrook/2065-Robert-Goddard-French-Immersion/

Why not ask them to expand to DC? Just don't use the name Haricots Verts or they will probably ignore you as a joke. (Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.)


I think you mean, 'ils disent n'importe quoi."
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 13:06     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You pretend martys are so obnoxious! Of course, we're starting a school for our kids dumbass! My child didn't get into a school, so I'm going to go with a group starting one. All of the interested people are parents to kids who are looking for a school for ourselves. I'm happy if it can serve others, but why would I be starting a school if I didn't have a vested interest. There are some pervs out there who get involved in things related to children because they're pervs and have no other reason. I'm not in education, but I have kids who need a school. Why on earth should I not be involved in getting one started to go private. Also, why are you on here trolling around. Do you have any children or are you just some perv getting off on attacking parents who want to start a school? Also, take your advice on engaging people and shove it right back where you got it- your ass! I can assure you, you're no expert on engaging people and organizing a school. Just listen to your dumb judgmental ass. The uber focus on race/SES etc... is just terrible for everyone. I simply want a good school for my kid. I could care a less about the race/SES status of the other kids. You freaks that make it a huge issue are the problem. Get a life!!! and please do not involve yourself with HV.


You are either a troll to the nth degree, or if you really have joined us in seriously discussing HV, you are probably in for a rude awakening. Your kids needing a school TODAY is not even close to a reason to get involved with founding a school. Yes, most of us who have seriously started this discussion hope that at some point if it becomes reality, this school will serve our kids. But some of us also realize it is such a giant undertaking, you really need to be in it for way more than just your kids.

If you're serious in your interest, we still welcome you. The amount of work this will take will quickly weed out people who are in it to see it through from people who think this is a quick fix, so if you are in it for the long haul, cool.

But really... this sounds exactly like what someone trying to make the serious people here sound crazy would write. I'm still calling TROLL on this one!


Um, the troll is you! You need to read the messages of people whom've expressed interest. We're not trying to start a school that doesn't benefit our kids. Look back at the thread and read what people wrote. There was discussion of starting a middle school program because we know how long it could take and want our kids to benefit. Then, someone stated that the school could start based upon when our kids would be in school (i.e. first or second grade). I'm not sure who you are, but you seem to be presenting yourself as a mouth piece for the group. You're not! Others out there please identify if you're interested in forming the school for other children in the future. That's a very generous and meritorious prospect, but not something I intend to sign up for. Anyways, I'm going to continue looking into forming the school. Right now there is no leadership, although you seem to think you are. If it emerges that this about forming a school for the sake of forming a school, I'll put my energies elsewhere. Good news is the demand is so overwhelming, the kids will be there.


The bolded part of your quote speaks for itself. Other than that, you would really do well to read up on the history of charter schools in DC and look at the application that has already been made available to those on the yahoo group (so I assume you too). You may not care about who else the school serves, but the PCSB does care, and therefore we need to too. Beyond just our own children. That's not an "opinion", that is a fact of applying for a charter. Who you're targeting to serve and how you'll serve them matters, even in a lottery system.

You're confusing two different posters, but the sentiment is the same. I, for one, do not want to mislead the group about my purposes in joining. I'm hopeful to have a school my children can attend. Of course, children from the greater population can as well, but I'm involved for my children. Not sure why that's perceived as wrong on here. You may have had the life long dream to start a school for the sake of starting one, but I'm a full time parent looking for an option for my kid who was shut out. I thought that was the whole point to begin with. You're the first person to suggest this group is about starting some kind of outreach school serving the disadvantaged (I'm assuming posts about this came from you. Sorry if I'm wrong). Anyways, it would be nice to know from others if the school is intended for our kids or not. Like many parents on here, I'm very busy and would rather not play games.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 13:05     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
I hope that, as this sorts itself out, the developing leadership is able to clearly separate themselves from the crazies. Implying that professional educators who don't have children, or don't have children in the age range a school serves are "pervs" is probably not going to help you find qualified, experienced staff.

I'll also add that while I think that looking into Robert Goddard is a great idea, it should be noted that it's a P.G. county public school, not a charter, and so having it simply expand isn't an option. It could certainly be something to explore as you think about models and look for mentors.

Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:57     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Just hoping people remember that what takes place on DCUM has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's what happens offline that matters to this endeavor. It is increasingly harder and harder to tell the detractors from the supporters with no manners here, but that will all sort itself out offline.

Hope people focus on the idea, and if you think it's a good one and you're willing to engage and see if it's worth your time, hope you'll still join in.

Other than that, the circus that is DCUM rolls on...
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:52     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
^^I was interested in joining the group until I read through this ill-spirited thread. Sounds like none of you know anything about charter start-ups, including having basic manners. I hope you don't speak for the group. If so, it's doomed. What a shame and as someone posted earlier- what a joke!
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:51     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This school exists in PG County.

http://www1.pgcps.org/robertgoddardfrenchimmersion/

K-8 charter, 500+ students
MD "Green School" certified
Proficiency in the 90s
75% black, 25% FARMs

http://www.greatschools.org/maryland/seabrook/2065-Robert-Goddard-French-Immersion/

Why not ask them to expand to DC? Just don't use the name Haricots Verts or they will probably ignore you as a joke. (Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.)

(Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.) This is why people hate the french. Dropping a french phrase to seem more high brow is so cliche and juvenile. Get a life!


So weird, why are you participating in this thread if you hate the French?
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:48     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This school exists in PG County.

http://www1.pgcps.org/robertgoddardfrenchimmersion/

K-8 charter, 500+ students
MD "Green School" certified
Proficiency in the 90s
75% black, 25% FARMs

http://www.greatschools.org/maryland/seabrook/2065-Robert-Goddard-French-Immersion/

Why not ask them to expand to DC? Just don't use the name Haricots Verts or they will probably ignore you as a joke. (Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.)

(Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.) This is why people hate the french. Dropping a french phrase to seem more high brow is so cliche and juvenile. Get a life!


Ok folks, we definitely, officially have a TROLL. Anyone who says "This is why people hate the French" is clearly not interested in starting a French immersion school. PP, it really doesn't matter whether you are a troll or not in your own mind, your attitude sucks and I really hope you aren't serious about participating in the founding of this school.

Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:45     Subject: Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You pretend martys are so obnoxious! Of course, we're starting a school for our kids dumbass! My child didn't get into a school, so I'm going to go with a group starting one. All of the interested people are parents to kids who are looking for a school for ourselves. I'm happy if it can serve others, but why would I be starting a school if I didn't have a vested interest. There are some pervs out there who get involved in things related to children because they're pervs and have no other reason. I'm not in education, but I have kids who need a school. Why on earth should I not be involved in getting one started to go private. Also, why are you on here trolling around. Do you have any children or are you just some perv getting off on attacking parents who want to start a school? Also, take your advice on engaging people and shove it right back where you got it- your ass! I can assure you, you're no expert on engaging people and organizing a school. Just listen to your dumb judgmental ass. The uber focus on race/SES etc... is just terrible for everyone. I simply want a good school for my kid. I could care a less about the race/SES status of the other kids. You freaks that make it a huge issue are the problem. Get a life!!! and please do not involve yourself with HV.


You are either a troll to the nth degree, or if you really have joined us in seriously discussing HV, you are probably in for a rude awakening. Your kids needing a school TODAY is not even close to a reason to get involved with founding a school. Yes, most of us who have seriously started this discussion hope that at some point if it becomes reality, this school will serve our kids. But some of us also realize it is such a giant undertaking, you really need to be in it for way more than just your kids.

If you're serious in your interest, we still welcome you. The amount of work this will take will quickly weed out people who are in it to see it through from people who think this is a quick fix, so if you are in it for the long haul, cool.

But really... this sounds exactly like what someone trying to make the serious people here sound crazy would write. I'm still calling TROLL on this one!


Um, the troll is you! You need to read the messages of people whom've expressed interest. We're not trying to start a school that doesn't benefit our kids. Look back at the thread and read what people wrote. There was discussion of starting a middle school program because we know how long it could take and want our kids to benefit. Then, someone stated that the school could start based upon when our kids would be in school (i.e. first or second grade). I'm not sure who you are, but you seem to be presenting yourself as a mouth piece for the group. You're not! Others out there please identify if you're interested in forming the school for other children in the future. That's a very generous and meritorious prospect, but not something I intend to sign up for. Anyways, I'm going to continue looking into forming the school. Right now there is no leadership, although you seem to think you are. If it emerges that this about forming a school for the sake of forming a school, I'll put my energies elsewhere. Good news is the demand is so overwhelming, the kids will be there.


The bolded part of your quote speaks for itself. Other than that, you would really do well to read up on the history of charter schools in DC and look at the application that has already been made available to those on the yahoo group (so I assume you too). You may not care about who else the school serves, but the PCSB does care, and therefore we need to too. Beyond just our own children. That's not an "opinion", that is a fact of applying for a charter. Who you're targeting to serve and how you'll serve them matters, even in a lottery system.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2013 12:35     Subject: Re:Haricots Verts (French Green Immersion Charter)
Anonymous wrote:This school exists in PG County.

http://www1.pgcps.org/robertgoddardfrenchimmersion/

K-8 charter, 500+ students
MD "Green School" certified
Proficiency in the 90s
75% black, 25% FARMs

http://www.greatschools.org/maryland/seabrook/2065-Robert-Goddard-French-Immersion/

Why not ask them to expand to DC? Just don't use the name Haricots Verts or they will probably ignore you as a joke. (Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.)

(Les toubabous sont dingues. Vraiment. Ils disent rien de quoi.) This is why people hate the french. Dropping a french phrase to seem more high brow is so cliche and juvenile. Get a life!