Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 11:33     Subject: Re:Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
"Pupil place if it a hardship for your son. But please stop trashing Haycock and its parents. OP, for your question, I would e-mail Marty Smith and get a direct answer"

Stay away from Haycock -- it's a mess!!!!
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 11:05     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the push is for Local Level IVs and the elimination of Centers - is that a good thing? I guess if you have a strong local school it is a good thing. But the child that is gifted and is stuck in a weak school loses their chance for a good education.


I am SO tired of this ridiculous idea that a child's elementary experience determines the future of his or her entire educational career! A kid can go to a weak ES, and still learn more than enough to do well in Honors classes in MS and AP or IB classes in HS. Believe it or not, a child CAN go on to Harvard or Yale even WITHOUT AAP center experience!


True. But a BETTER school experience for the highly gifted is to be with academic peers.

A child can go to Harvard without a family and from poverty, too.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 10:58     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the push is for Local Level IVs and the elimination of Centers - is that a good thing? I guess if you have a strong local school it is a good thing. But the child that is gifted and is stuck in a weak school loses their chance for a good education.


I am SO tired of this ridiculous idea that a child's elementary experience determines the future of his or her entire educational career! A kid can go to a weak ES, and still learn more than enough to do well in Honors classes in MS and AP or IB classes in HS. Believe it or not, a child CAN go on to Harvard or Yale even WITHOUT AAP center experience!
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 09:42     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:That's because the larger plan would hurt the larger minority/underrepresented areas by making their centers smaller and less effective. It comes back to the "critical mass" concerns.


Have to wait to see the results of the AAP Study
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 08:52     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
That's because the larger plan would hurt the larger minority/underrepresented areas by making their centers smaller and less effective. It comes back to the "critical mass" concerns.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 08:39     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that AAP centers have never been determined by cluster boundaries and the proposal this year (which failed except for the 3 schools) was a fairly significant change, which is why the SB wasn't ready for it.


Apples and oranges. What had been discussed was having an AAP center at the elementary school level in every HS pyramid and an AAP center at every middle school in the county. Most elementary AAP students still attend an AAP center in their cluster, and alignment by cluster provided one way for FCPS to address the major overcrowding at Haycock.


The plan was not about Haycock. It was much broader. Haycock parents really do think the world revolves around the school.


Don't be silly. In this instance, alignment by cluster was how FCPS ultimately chose to adress the overcrowding at Haycock. No one suggested the larger plan originally under consideration was only about Haycock. If anything, it appeared to be a response to the Coalition of the Silence complaint about student access to LLIV services.



And the irony is the Coalition of the Silence was opposed to the larger plan.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 08:37     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the push is for Local Level IVs and the elimination of Centers - is that a good thing? I guess if you have a strong local school it is a good thing. But the child that is gifted and is stuck in a weak school loses their change for a good education.


I don't see why they can't have Centers where it makes sense and LLIV where it makes sense. Fairfax County is too diverse and too large for everything to be the same.


What? You are using logic and reason? How dare you!

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 07:56     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the push is for Local Level IVs and the elimination of Centers - is that a good thing? I guess if you have a strong local school it is a good thing. But the child that is gifted and is stuck in a weak school loses their change for a good education.


I don't see why they can't have Centers where it makes sense and LLIV where it makes sense. Fairfax County is too diverse and too large for everything to be the same.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2013 07:40     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
I agree that the push is for Local Level IVs and the elimination of Centers - is that a good thing? I guess if you have a strong local school it is a good thing. But the child that is gifted and is stuck in a weak school loses their change for a good education.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 22:31     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that AAP centers have never been determined by cluster boundaries and the proposal this year (which failed except for the 3 schools) was a fairly significant change, which is why the SB wasn't ready for it.


Apples and oranges. What had been discussed was having an AAP center at the elementary school level in every HS pyramid and an AAP center at every middle school in the county. Most elementary AAP students still attend an AAP center in their cluster, and alignment by cluster provided one way for FCPS to address the major overcrowding at Haycock.


The plan was not about Haycock. It was much broader. Haycock parents really do think the world revolves around the school.


Don't be silly. In this instance, alignment by cluster was how FCPS ultimately chose to adress the overcrowding at Haycock. No one suggested the larger plan originally under consideration was only about Haycock. If anything, it appeared to be a response to the Coalition of the Silence complaint about student access to LLIV services.

Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 22:27     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:Let it go. People on both sides need to let it go. I am one parent affected by the change and I have let it go. Everyone needs to move on. That being said, I would not be surprised if there was further evaluation of Haycock as an AAP center. I also think FCPS is moving toward LLIV and phasing out centers entirely. But, sadly, what's done is done.

As for the OP question, I think Haycock base school boundaries are safe for now, but, as I stated earlier, I would not be as confident in CB, FS, TL feeding into Haycock for the eventual long term.

All snarkiness and potshots aside, I hope that helps you with your decision.


Thank you. This is OP. I really didn't expect to see so much conflict.

Maybe I should just rent until middle school, a few more years. Then I can have a bigger area to chose from to make sure my son doesn't get transferred in the middle.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 22:20     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that AAP centers have never been determined by cluster boundaries and the proposal this year (which failed except for the 3 schools) was a fairly significant change, which is why the SB wasn't ready for it.


Apples and oranges. What had been discussed was having an AAP center at the elementary school level in every HS pyramid and an AAP center at every middle school in the county. Most elementary AAP students still attend an AAP center in their cluster, and alignment by cluster provided one way for FCPS to address the major overcrowding at Haycock.


The plan was not about Haycock. It was much broader. Haycock parents really do think the world revolves around the school.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 22:10     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that AAP centers have never been determined by cluster boundaries and the proposal this year (which failed except for the 3 schools) was a fairly significant change, which is why the SB wasn't ready for it.


Apples and oranges. What had been discussed was having an AAP center at the elementary school level in every HS pyramid and an AAP center at every middle school in the county. Most elementary AAP students still attend an AAP center in their cluster, and alignment by cluster provided one way for FCPS to address the major overcrowding at Haycock.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 21:46     Subject: Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
Let it go. People on both sides need to let it go. I am one parent affected by the change and I have let it go. Everyone needs to move on. That being said, I would not be surprised if there was further evaluation of Haycock as an AAP center. I also think FCPS is moving toward LLIV and phasing out centers entirely. But, sadly, what's done is done.

As for the OP question, I think Haycock base school boundaries are safe for now, but, as I stated earlier, I would not be as confident in CB, FS, TL feeding into Haycock for the eventual long term.

All snarkiness and potshots aside, I hope that helps you with your decision.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 21:39     Subject: Re:Does anybody know what's going on with Haycock AAP boundry?
If you saw the final school board meeting you would know that all but two of the members agreed that they could not grandfather all of the AAP students with the up coming RENOVATION and the overcrowded state that is already present. If it was not for the renovation and the fact that there would also be no playground they may have had a different decision. This back and forth banter ended for a few weeks . It is ashame that it is all coming out again.