Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 11:19     Subject: Re:In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Thank you.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 11:06     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:we received pool letter on Friday for my second grader. Does this mean he is in? no CogAt scores yet though. Thx


It means he is in the pool to be considered for AAP Center eligibility. The AART at his school will prepare a screening file, to be considered by the local screening committee (at his school). The local screening committee will likely send the screening file on to the central screening committee. The screening file will include a GBRS with Commentary as well as test scores, work samples, and progress reports.

AAP Center Eligibility decisions will be mailed in late April.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 10:57     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
we received pool letter on Friday for my second grader. Does this mean he is in? no CogAt scores yet though. Thx
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 09:49     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:How about the kids who have high NNAT and CogAT scores but their GBRS is just average? Are they usually found eligible?


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Just high test scores without corroboration have been found not Center eligible.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 09:39     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

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A "kid does not get in with just a high NNAT score." Historically, roughly two thirds of the 2nd grade pool students are found Center-eligible. Conversely, one third of the in-pool students are not found Center-eligible. A "kid with just a high NNAT score" that does NOT have comporable GBRS with Commentary, work product, progress reports, as well as comparable CogAT results, will likely find themselves in the one-third group instead of the two-thirds group.


Thanks for the info! I didn't realize that one-third of the screening pool would not be accepted. Wow. I thought it was much lower.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 09:36     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
How about the kids who have high NNAT and CogAT scores but their GBRS is just average? Are they usually found eligible?
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 08:17     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:

I didn't realize that any of the previous years a kid could get in with just a high NNAT score. I thought they always blended 3 of the 4 scores to create a composite score - which by definition would have included a high score on at least the reading or math sections of Cognat.

By including kids who only test high on NNAT (IMHO) would allow the County to move more ESOL kids into the program - I don't believe that they're trying to tighten standards.


A "kid does not get in with just a high NNAT score." Historically, roughly two thirds of the 2nd grade pool students are found Center-eligible. Conversely, one third of the in-pool students are not found Center-eligible. A "kid with just a high NNAT score" that does NOT have comporable GBRS with Commentary, work product, progress reports, as well as comparable CogAT results, will likely find themselves in the one-third group instead of the two-thirds group.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 08:03     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat


I didn't realize that any of the previous years a kid could get in with just a high NNAT score. I thought they always blended 3 of the 4 scores to create a composite score - which by definition would have included a high score on at least the reading or math sections of Cognat.

By including kids who only test high on NNAT (IMHO) would allow the County to move more ESOL kids into the program - I don't believe that they're trying to tighten standards.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2013 07:29     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:They wanted to open AAP centers in every MS, a dozen more in ES. How that came around?


See the thread about Thursday's vote or read the FCPS news release.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2157

Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 23:18     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
They wanted to open AAP centers in every MS, a dozen more in ES. How that came around?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 23:12     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:What the parents will do if suddenly the NNAT cut off changed from national 98% to 99.5%?


They would nothing, as there is nothing they can do. If the NNAT cutoff were to be raised to 140, what is there for the parents to do? Easy fix for FCPS if they wanted to tighten the standards.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:59     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
What the parents will do if suddenly the NNAT cut off changed from national 98% to 99.5%?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:47     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Anonymous wrote:Actually, the previous couple years, 98% of NNAT or any of the 3 subset score of CoGAT (130 to 132) will get the kids into the pool. There was conspiracy the AAP office intentionally loose the standards to get more kids into the AAP to push their agenda.
With the current blown-on-the face situation, they decided to tighten it up with the 95% county-wide composite CoGAT score. Since NNAT was already out last year, they can't go back and change the standard. I won't be too surprised they will get a FCPS NNAT next year to tighten it up further.


Don't agree with the NNAT analysis. Eventhough it was taken last year they could've set the cutoff higher if they want to.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:24     Subject: In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
Actually, the previous couple years, 98% of NNAT or any of the 3 subset score of CoGAT (130 to 132) will get the kids into the pool. There was conspiracy the AAP office intentionally loose the standards to get more kids into the AAP to push their agenda.
With the current blown-on-the face situation, they decided to tighten it up with the 95% county-wide composite CoGAT score. Since NNAT was already out last year, they can't go back and change the standard. I won't be too surprised they will get a FCPS NNAT next year to tighten it up further.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:10     Subject: Re:In AAP pool? List NNAT score and/or Cogat
22:00 Either you misunderstood or your AARY misstated things. Last year to be in the pool a child needed either a 132 on the first grade NNAT or a 132 composite score on the CoGat. One or the other.... not a blend.....