Watch Soledad's, "Black in America" tonight on CNN. The documentary will touch on this issue of "blackness".

Look I'm a multicultural activists. So, I deal with racial issues on a daily basis. The list that the poster came up with is a reality and the big elephant in the room that the black community doesn't want to discuss. Those who are on the receiving in of intra-racism do suffer. I can understand why some black people isolate themselves from other blacks. Who wants to be around people who will not accept you for who you are? However, this form of isolation creates the division that is within our communities. Read, "Come On People" by Dr. Bill Cosby. He spoke on the issue about how blacks have allowed ghettoization to respresent our culture and we make fun of those who don't perpetuate the ghetto persona. We are the only group of people who demonize each other for behaving classy. As if only whites are classy and we must maintain this ghetto thuggish or buffoonery lifestyle. Why do you think you see so many blacks in the DC area embracing negative stereotypes? It is because we accept it as "black culture". A black man like Griffin possesses class and grace, but we pitch a fit and cry, "His a cornball". It is this type of thought process which makes me say, "Damn, what the heck is wrong with my people?"


If us blacks are not willing to admit that we do mistreat other blacks who don't fall in line with the black community, then you are either being in denial or you're one of the bullies who bully other blacks that you consider not "black enough" (whatever the Hell that means). Intra-racism does exist within the black community. It's actually worst than white supremacy in my book. Yes, we all know that blacks are not a monolithic group. However, it doesn't appear that the black community is accepting of the diversity because they want to beat other blacks with the "you're a cornball or you're not black enough" whip. The Guardians of All Things Black & Lovely will always make sure that every black person will ascribe to their close-minded views on what and who is black. Don't sit here and ignore the fact that blacks who don't appeal to their point of views are very much ostracized and demonized within the black community. I remembered when President Obama first came upon the political scene blacks put his behind through the "black enough" test. Even Jesse Jackson wanted to grab him by his balls. The hatred was accepted because Jesse Jackson was considered a "real black man" he had to put Obama in check. This is just one example. You have to walk on egg shells when you're around some black folks because we know that we will loose friends and become demonized. Some of us have to live in the closet. I'm not talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about the racial closet of being black, but not ascribing to the beliefs system of the black community. Yes, some of us wear masks in order to fit in. We have to Waltz between mainstream America and still maintain our "street cred" so that the Guardians of All Things Black & Lovely don't turn against us.

Got it. Sorry. We have kids being killed for hells Hansen jackets on this city. I just can't imagine calling my loved ones 'thug' as an endearment.

12:10 you are reading way too much into pp's comment.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also, the most crucial sin is to admit that you want to be an individual that is judge by your own merits.

Irony alert!

PP, I know you're trying desperately to be clever, but no, what's your point?

That your entire post is a sweeping generalization.

I'm not the pp. But no, it not a sweeping generalization. The OP said that *some* and in my experience, many blacks have these types of extreme prejudice. Don't do that stupid reverse racism move and say a person is being racist for calling you out on your racism. That list is dead on. Point for point. I applaud OP for posting it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Not the original poster. But PP's are probably really not in the effected class or are in denial. (I'm guessing their light skinned native Washingtonians) ( I would quibble with CBN's inclusion of light skinned blacks as being subjected to intra-racism; most blacks put any light skinned woman on the highest of high pedestals) What PP's are saying is pretty sad--they sound like the same clueless whites who say we live a post racial society because Obama is president.
Yeah, intra-racism doesn't exist any more because you talked about Star Trek with a fellow black person on the Metro. Silly, self-hating blacks!

Your guess would be incorrect. I am what one would describe as sweet dark chocolate. I am beautiful, so in that aspecr your statement is correct. I am a native Washingtonian who grew up in far north east-southeast. I put myself on a pedestal and with my confidence I only chose men who held me up. I cannot help that you have issues and cannot handle the strongness of a Black woman that you feel that you must disengage from your community. You can Stijl embrace your community and culture while being accepting OC others. My family accepted my very gay uncle, and defended him against all others. Do they all believe in gay marriage, no. Do any of them believe that gays should be mistreated, no.

Have I voted for republicans in the past, yes. Will I vote for any of the wing nuts now, absofuckinglootwly not. Do I ostracize other blacks because of atheism, lack of faith, etc. No. Am I an organized religion cultish myself, no. But I do believe there is something greater than I.

Can I speak the king's English, ebionics, office spanish, and sometimes barrier Spanish, yelp. Baby, you have to know your audience.

Did I marry outside my race. Nope, DH is my Black Mandingo. He is my MBA corporate thug, who can carry himself in a Defense contractor's high powered negotiating office setting, or the sully streets of DC and not feel intimidated. However, I hold nothing against those who fell in love and married outside their race. I dated everything, but Asian. I could not find any of the guys that reminded me of the guy from Crouching Tiger. I do find people who refuse to date those in their own race lacking in many ways, but that's a different subject.

What else did cornball Negro and you say that is so full of horse manure that is worth commenting.

You just called your husband a 'corporate thug'? I wonder if part of the issue is that in mainstream America the holdover of WASP culture is still what most people aspire to. While WASPS themselves are fading in their ascendancy (I just finished reading "Cheerful Money" about the last gasp of the real, original WASPS-highly, highly recommend), most don't mind the idea of their lifestyle updated for the 20th c. (racial inclusiveness, gay rights etc.) A college degree, romantic love, civility and manners. When a community emphasizes this it's not going to harm their kids in the long run even if their kids rebel a little. Is this "he is my corporate thug" a form of poetry? The lingo and imagery of thuggery (with its mysogyny, its violence, its nihilism) should not hold the day. Remember early hip-hop"? Remember when it wasn't all about being a thug? Remember when it was poetry, creativity, thoughtful discussion and protest, at times a little bit silly? Maybe the positive hip-hop is cornball. The cornball brothers I know would bristle at being, in any way, associated with the term 'thug'. I guess that's why you're not married to one!

Anonymous wrote:^^*they're* light skinned blacks...

Is Michelle Obama light skin. She and I are roughly the same complexion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Not the original poster. But PP's are probably really not in the effected class or are in denial. (I'm guessing their light skinned native Washingtonians) ( I would quibble with CBN's inclusion of light skinned blacks as being subjected to intra-racism; most blacks put any light skinned woman on the highest of high pedestals) What PP's are saying is pretty sad--they sound like the same clueless whites who say we live a post racial society because Obama is president.
Yeah, intra-racism doesn't exist any more because you talked about Star Trek with a fellow black person on the Metro. Silly, self-hating blacks!

Your guess would be incorrect. I am what one would describe as sweet dark chocolate. I am beautiful, so in that aspecr your statement is correct. I am a native Washingtonian who grew up in far north east-southeast. I put myself on a pedestal and with my confidence I only chose men who held me up. I cannot help that you have issues and cannot handle the strongness of a Black woman that you feel that you must disengage from your community. You can Stijl embrace your community and culture while being accepting OC others. My family accepted my very gay uncle, and defended him against all others. Do they all believe in gay marriage, no. Do any of them believe that gays should be mistreated, no.

Have I voted for republicans in the past, yes. Will I vote for any of the wing nuts now, absofuckinglootwly not. Do I ostracize other blacks because of atheism, lack of faith, etc. No. Am I an organized religion cultish myself, no. But I do believe there is something greater than I.

Can I speak the king's English, ebionics, office spanish, and sometimes barrier Spanish, yelp. Baby, you have to know your audience.

Did I marry outside my race. Nope, DH is my Black Mandingo. He is my MBA corporate thug, who can carry himself in a Defense contractor's high powered negotiating office setting, or the sully streets of DC and not feel intimidated. However, I hold nothing against those who fell in love and married outside their race. I dated everything, but Asian. I could not find any of the guys that reminded me of the guy from Crouching Tiger. I do find people who refuse to date those in their own race lacking in many ways, but that's a different subject.

What else did cornball Negro and you say that is so full of horse manure that is worth commenting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also, the most crucial sin is to admit that you want to be an individual that is judge by your own merits.

Irony alert!

PP, I know you're trying desperately to be clever, but no, what's your point?

That your entire post is a sweeping generalization.

^^ pp you either didn't comprehend what we wrote or you have your own agenda. Either way I won't waste my time arguing with you.

Anonymous wrote:^^*they're* light skinned blacks...

It's not skin color.

^^*they're* light skinned blacks...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Live long and stop self hating.

+1000. I meet 8 of that criteria and I have friends who meet even more. And none of us have issues with having our blackness questioned. The diversity of African Americans in DC is my favorite thing about the city. Just the other day I had a long conversation with an older black woman on metro about our love of star Trek when she noticed an item I was carrying. That would never happen where I grew up. If you live in DC and can't see how evident it is that blacks are NOT a monolithic group, then I'd also say the majority of the problem lies with you.

Not the original poster. But PP's are probably really not in the effected class or are in denial. (I'm guessing their light skinned native Washingtonians) ( I would quibble with CBN's inclusion of light skinned blacks as being subjected to intra-racism; most blacks put any light skinned woman on the highest of high pedestals) What PP's are saying is pretty sad--they sound like the same clueless whites who say we live a post racial society because Obama is president.
Yeah, intra-racism doesn't exist any more because you talked about Star Trek with a fellow black person on the Metro. Silly, self-hating blacks!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Live long and stop self hating.

+1000. I meet 8 of that criteria and I have friends who meet even more. And none of us have issues with having our blackness questioned. The diversity of African Americans in DC is my favorite thing about the city. Just the other day I had a long conversation with an older black woman on metro about our love of star Trek when she noticed an item I was carrying. That would never happen where I grew up. If you live in DC and can't see how evident it is that blacks are NOT a monolithic group, then I'd also say the majority of the problem lies with you.

PP, I'll never forget sharing fries early on in Bush 2 (pre- war on terror; the administration was just setting itself up) with a couple of AA women friends. When I mentioned Condoleeza Rice's ascendency to power they acted as if the she-devil had entered the room. Condoleeza Rice has always struck me as an extremely accomplished woman who has a lot to be proud of. Now way was I going to mention that over fries... Not only the level of hatred but also the qualitative nature of the hatred (not based on her opposing views but she was a sell-out etc.) quelled discussion. As a non AA I would not be 'banished', but it could have meant the end of a friendship I cherished. Is that the diversity you mean?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Also, the most crucial sin is to admit that you want to be an individual that is judge by your own merits.

Irony alert!

PP, I know you're trying desperately to be clever, but no, what's your point?

Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Live long and stop self hating.

+1000. I meet 8 of that criteria and I have friends who meet even more. And none of us have issues with having our blackness questioned. The diversity of African Americans in DC is my favorite thing about the city. Just the other day I had a long conversation with an older black woman on metro about our love of star Trek when she noticed an item I was carrying. That would never happen where I grew up. If you live in DC and can't see how evident it is that blacks are NOT a monolithic group, then I'd also say the majority of the problem lies with you.