Anonymous wrote:The difference between DC and tysons is that DC has a very poor indigenous population that requires massive tax subsidies to keep a float. These indigenous people continue to vote in horrible leaders to preserve their self interest and refuse to gentrify. Tyson's does not have this and virginia is very pro landlord, free market and low tax. The positive formula is there for massive growth in Tyson's. Economically speaking it doesn't make sense to open or base your business in DC.

A good example is the current, corrupt Mayor and his dumb-as-nails press spokesman from Portugal. He's got the designer eyewear down flat, but doesn't even know where the Silver Line is being built.

And part of the problem is that government rental rates are capped to contain costs, which is pricing them out of downtown Washington, DC. They've gotten around it though creative lease-writing over the past 5 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are more moves to the suburbs.

And PP is right that Rosslyn is going to be big in the next 10 years - that is where most real estate people are expecting growth to go.

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason companies flee DC to Tysons...as the original article notes, the rent is much cheaper and there is abundant vacant office space. The market has chosen - high rents and tight vacancy reflect a desirable market. Low rents, high vacancy attract companies with thin bottom lines, like govt contractors squeezing their robo-drones into 80 square foot cubs, so they can go home totheir 1,500 SF townhomes in Ashburn and eat their Ruby Tuesday for dinner.

Guess you didn't see the Wash Post federal page article this weekend talking about efforts to cap the amount contractor employees get paid. Not managers--regular employees. They currently can (and do) get paid as much as 700K+ per YEAR and the effort is underway to cap their pay at the level of the Cabinet. They are laughing at you from their 3500-4000 mansions while they chow down on Ruby Tuesdays!

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason companies flee DC to Tysons...as the original article notes, the rent is much cheaper and there is abundant vacant office space. The market has chosen - high rents and tight vacancy reflect a desirable market. Low rents, high vacancy attract companies with thin bottom lines, like govt contractors squeezing their robo-drones into 80 square foot cubs, so they can go home totheir 1,500 SF townhomes in Ashburn and eat their Ruby Tuesday for dinner.

hell no, it's great american restaurants, not ruby Tuesdays! get with the times this ain't the office space of the 90s anymore!

There is a reason companies flee DC to Tysons...as the original article notes, the rent is much cheaper and there is abundant vacant office space. The market has chosen - high rents and tight vacancy reflect a desirable market. Low rents, high vacancy attract companies with thin bottom lines, like govt contractors squeezing their robo-drones into 80 square foot cubs, so they can go home totheir 1,500 SF townhomes in Ashburn and eat their Ruby Tuesday for dinner.

The difference between DC and tysons is that DC has a very poor indigenous population that requires massive tax subsidies to keep a float. These indigenous people continue to vote in horrible leaders to preserve their self interest and refuse to gentrify. Tyson's does not have this and virginia is very pro landlord, free market and low tax. The positive formula is there for massive growth in Tyson's. Economically speaking it doesn't make sense to open or base your business in DC.

PP here. I meant "younger" and "Tracks"

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Anonymous wrote:All this hype about the development of Tysons Corner is comical. I would be glad if it had a chance of being great because I live between Tysons and DC but really it's just a good shopping mall with some spread out offices and car dealerships. Sorry developers but the major problem you're going to have is that young people have zero interest in living there and that's not changing.

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The thing is that the same could be said about DC 25 years ago. All except for Georgetown and parts of NW. I DID grow up in DC and was actually born in DC (anyone else?) and we all went to private school and it was the murder capital of the country. It is fantastic that so much of DC has rebounded and that so many young people and families live there now. Just don't assume the same won't happen to Tysons (and it is starting from a far better place than murder capital of the country with bad schools). I agree with many comments that Tysons and the surrounding areas are great, especially for jobs, shopping, family life and schools. That won't appeal to a 20-something who is living it up in the D.C. But when he/she has to reverse commute to a job in VA or MD or when he/she gets married and has kids, the suburbs start to look pretty appealing. Doubt it all you want but that won't change that suburban life is a preference for many people when they reach a certain stage in their lives.

Unless you grew up in the 1.5 square mile area where Rayful Edmonds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayful_Edmond and his crew had their wars, I seriously doubt you had any interaction with the "murder capital" aspects of DC growing up, ever. Urban centers are not about to be displaced by suburban sprawl, dearie, no matter how much you wish it were so. Manhattan, NY, Mission District, SF, Hyde Park, CHI, Adams Morgan, Shaw, Dupont, in DC and so on are the hot urban places to live. Money continues to flood those areas. Real estate prices have never gone down in those areas. They're not suburbs of anything. That's idiotic. It's really apples and oranges

You know what dearie, you don't what the hell you are talking about. First, I don't think that Tysons will displace DC. That is absurd because of the Federal Government PERIOD!
But, don't pretend to know who was or wasn't impacted by the crap that went down in DC when I was younder. You probably lived in Peoria or Springfield (any state) and like to pretend that it was all trumped up. DC was a freaking hell hole at the time and unless you stayed in the safe parts, your life was truly endangered. I personally was mugged, had tires slashed, my brothers were beat up--why because we wanted to take advantage of clubs that made DC fun. Old school 9:30 club wasn't posh like today and Trax was in a really tough area--really tough. So take your pampered butt and talk to me about something you actually know about.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. When the subway comes, children will toddle down from their glass and steel towers to the concrete sidewalks to draw hopscotch patterns in chalk. Old people will set up picnic tables alongside Rt. 7 where they'll play chess and meet old friends. Young families will lay down blankets in the parking lots and have picnics while the kids toss frisbees near 495. It will be just like Adams Morgan.

I don't think anyone said it would be like Adams Morgan. And as far as I am concerned, that is a good thing. I outgrew that scene 10 years ago. Like a PP said, Adams morgan is a good example of a part of DC that is attractive to young people today but was definitely no-man's land 25 years ago. It has been a fun place to "go out" for a while now but life--especially life for people older than 25 or people who have families-- isn't about going out.

Have to echo previous comments about the reverse commute as well. First I lived in Bethesday and commuted to DC but it was a haul so I moved to Mass ave. Then the next job I found was in Tysons. Well, after about a year of commuting out to Tysons, I got fed up and followed my job. Ultimately, I did work in DC again but by then, the allure of the city had diminished. MOving to Vienna soon and I am very excited to be near all the shopping and stuff that it has to offer. I am just way beyond the H Street Country Club phase of my life or even the Loreal Plaza phase. As for buying in NW, the Commute to downtown down Mass Ave or Wisconsin (remember, I lived in NW and Bethesda too) kind of blows despite the short distance in miles so why bother. Lower taxes in VA!

Also, for those of you who care, Tysons has about 60 years of government contracting based reasons for drawing jobs and so it isn't just a Mall. There is a big antenna in the middle of Tysons (now obscured by development) and its location in Tysons is among the reasons that Tyson's became an IT hub.

I'd like to assume the original article was ironic, and purposefully done to promote inane discussions like this one. For those who think Tysons Corner is or will be the "center" of the DC metro area, I am conflicted whether to feel sorry for you or just laugh at you.

(Note: as an economic hub, sure, Tysons Corner will of course be an important and maybe the larger "business" hub within the region. But it will always be a soulless corporate suburb.)

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Anonymous wrote:All this hype about the development of Tysons Corner is comical. I would be glad if it had a chance of being great because I live between Tysons and DC but really it's just a good shopping mall with some spread out offices and car dealerships. Sorry developers but the major problem you're going to have is that young people have zero interest in living there and that's not changing.

+1

The thing is that the same could be said about DC 25 years ago. All except for Georgetown and parts of NW. I DID grow up in DC and was actually born in DC (anyone else?) and we all went to private school and it was the murder capital of the country. It is fantastic that so much of DC has rebounded and that so many young people and families live there now. Just don't assume the same won't happen to Tysons (and it is starting from a far better place than murder capital of the country with bad schools). I agree with many comments that Tysons and the surrounding areas are great, especially for jobs, shopping, family life and schools. That won't appeal to a 20-something who is living it up in the D.C. But when he/she has to reverse commute to a job in VA or MD or when he/she gets married and has kids, the suburbs start to look pretty appealing. Doubt it all you want but that won't change that suburban life is a preference for many people when they reach a certain stage in their lives.

Unless you grew up in the 1.5 square mile area where Rayful Edmonds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayful_Edmond and his crew had their wars, I seriously doubt you had any interaction with the "murder capital" aspects of DC growing up, ever. Urban centers are not about to be displaced by suburban sprawl, dearie, no matter how much you wish it were so. Manhattan, NY, Mission District, SF, Hyde Park, CHI, Adams Morgan, Shaw, Dupont, in DC and so on are the hot urban places to live. Money continues to flood those areas. Real estate prices have never gone down in those areas. They're not suburbs of anything. That's idiotic. It's really apples and oranges

Anonymous wrote:Yes. When the subway comes, children will toddle down from their glass and steel towers to the concrete sidewalks to draw hopscotch patterns in chalk. Old people will set up picnic tables alongside Rt. 7 where they'll play chess and meet old friends. Young families will lay down blankets in the parking lots and have picnics while the kids toss frisbees near 495. It will be just like Adams Morgan.

Adams-Morgan can keep the hood-rats and puking college kids that make it a sketchy place on Saturday night and a smelly one on Sunday morning.

Yes. When the subway comes, children will toddle down from their glass and steel towers to the concrete sidewalks to draw hopscotch patterns in chalk. Old people will set up picnic tables alongside Rt. 7 where they'll play chess and meet old friends. Young families will lay down blankets in the parking lots and have picnics while the kids toss frisbees near 495. It will be just like Adams Morgan.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do I see so many cars with DC plates here.

No Metro. DC folks are forced to drive in the suburbs.

No one is forcing you and we don't want you. Stay in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:All this hype about the development of Tysons Corner is comical. I would be glad if it had a chance of being great because I live between Tysons and DC but really it's just a good shopping mall with some spread out offices and car dealerships. Sorry developers but the major problem you're going to have is that young people have zero interest in living there and that's not changing.

+1

The thing is that the same could be said about DC 25 years ago. All except for Georgetown and parts of NW. I DID grow up in DC and was actually born in DC (anyone else?) and we all went to private school and it was the murder capital of the country. It is fantastic that so much of DC has rebounded and that so many young people and families live there now. Just don't assume the same won't happen to Tysons (and it is starting from a far better place than murder capital of the country with bad schools). I agree with many comments that Tysons and the surrounding areas are great, especially for jobs, shopping, family life and schools. That won't appeal to a 20-something who is living it up in the D.C. But when he/she has to reverse commute to a job in VA or MD or when he/she gets married and has kids, the suburbs start to look pretty appealing. Doubt it all you want but that won't change that suburban life is a preference for many people when they reach a certain stage in their lives.