Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is on top of you attacking you in the way the police report and zimmerman described you are allowed to protect yourself with lethal force using a firearrm. Thats the law.

What if Zimmerman attacked him first? Isn't Martin allowed to "Stand His Ground" and fight back?

I really don't think the law says that you can pick a fight with someone, and once you start getting your ass kicked, you can then shoot that person.

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” Law

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

http://www.slavinlawfirm.com/lawyer-attorney-1687102.html

Stalking and attacking someone is an unlawful activity. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman was anywhere near death or "great bodily harm". Sure, he can say that, but how can he "reasonably" think that he was going to die? He knew the police were on their way. Dude doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He will be found not guilty and dc and la will be burned to the ground reversing dcs positive gentrification.

The prosecuter is really contradictory , she says they will enforce the law and fight stand your ground, but isnt stand your ground a law she is supposed to defend. Can someone provide a book of which laws the state will defend and fight? This prosecuter was completely bias talking a out the sweet sweet family of martin and vilifying zimmerman.

Prosecutors always do this. If they think someone is guilty they charge them so of course they vilify the defendant. You're thinking of the judge who is supposed to avoid the appearance of favoring one side or the other. But the prosecutors are supposed to go after people they think are guilty.

Exactly.

The ignorant idiots are really coming out to play.

did they ever find out what drugs marting was on from the toxicology

The fact is no one knows what evidence the prosecutors have been able to collect. More witness testimony, medical records, voice analysis on the 911 calls and, most importantly, an autopsy report which will likely be able to discern both the distance at which TM was shot and the angle of the shot. So it is ridiculous to speculate the prosecutor's motives to bring charges. In fact, after the Casey Anthony diseaster, I highly suspect some damning evidence exists.

I actually do not think this case will even go to trial - I suspect there will be a plea within the next several months.

Still trying to keep an open mind but things are not adding up here. Saw Zimmerman's brother on Piers Morgan's show on CNN last night. Previously the brother had described George as being beaten so badly he nearly passed out and came within an inch of losing his life. Morgan confronted him with the surveillance video which shows George in rather good shape for someone who has been beaten so badly. (Not saying he didn't have injuries but that he looked rather spry as he moved through the room and you would have expected him to be limping or something.)

So then the brother says what happened was that Trayvon pushed his hand(s) over George's nose and mouth so that George couldn't breathe and so George thought he was going to die and that's why he shot Trayvon. So, suddenly a new bit of information about the struggle emerges. Which leads to the following questions:

Why are we only hearing about that now after the appearance of the surveillance video? This suggests that they're fishing around for some kind of new story, since they didn't talk about this before the video emerged.

The brother also believes that George was the person crying for help on the 911 tape. So how can you both cry for help and have someone's hand closing off your nose and mouth so that you can't breathe?

Then again I haven't listened to the 911 call since I had that thought. I suppose it's possible that George called for help and then Trayvon put his hand over George's face - but if there was a delay between the calls for help and the gunshot, it couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 seconds. If that delay exists, it's not long enough to convince me that a normal person would have thought they wouldn't be able to breathe.

And suddenly it makes Trayvon Martin into this incredibly strong aggressive guy - that he can overpower George Zimmerman so effectively and cut off his ability to breathe just by covering his nose and mouth. Not saying that can't be done - just that I doubt a teenager is practiced and accurate at that kind of technique.

It just doesn't add up but I'll be looking forward to seeing the case being put forth by both sides about this. In the meantime, the Zimmerman family might do better to not talk so much in the media.

Anonymous wrote:He will be found not guilty and dc and la will be burned to the ground reversing dcs positive gentrification.

The prosecuter is really contradictory , she says they will enforce the law and fight stand your ground, but isnt stand your ground a law she is supposed to defend. Can someone provide a book of which laws the state will defend and fight? This prosecuter was completely bias talking a out the sweet sweet family of martin and vilifying zimmerman.

Prosecutors always do this. If they think someone is guilty they charge them so of course they vilify the defendant. You're thinking of the judge who is supposed to avoid the appearance of favoring one side or the other. But the prosecutors are supposed to go after people they think are guilty.

*Did DCUMers

Were DCUMers think that the cases of Britanny Norwood and George Hugely were given too much media attention?

Zimmerman should have been arrested a month ago and charged. He did kill someone - that much is clear. Self-defense is a question of fact that a jury needs to decide. Even with Florida's law I think there a facts taht need to be decided:

"(3)?A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

Above the the relevant text of the Florida statute - I think that there is a lot about what happend that night that needs to be fleshout before we can say that Zimmerman was acting in self defense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is on top of you attacking you in the way the police report and zimmerman described you are allowed to protect yourself with lethal force using a firearrm. Thats the law.

What if Zimmerman attacked him first? Isn't Martin allowed to "Stand His Ground" and fight back?

I really don't think the law says that you can pick a fight with someone, and once you start getting your ass kicked, you can then shoot that person.

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” Law

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

http://www.slavinlawfirm.com/lawyer-attorney-1687102.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love the hypocrisy. You complained that he is being tried in the press. Now that heisgetting a real trial you are complaining about how unjust it is. Earlier you were predicting vigilante violence. Now you are forecasting riots. I bet you are the one who called Trayvon human excrement


You might as well stop beating around the bush and just admit you despise black people. Own your racism. It's not a bad word to you if it's what you really believe.

Uh - who is you? Is it a PP, or one of the voices that talk to you?

12:52. Someone posted in between. I'll quote it next time.

Anonymous wrote:Love the hypocrisy. You complained that he is being tried in the press. Now that heisgetting a real trial you are complaining about how unjust it is. Earlier you were predicting vigilante violence. Now you are forecasting riots. I bet you are the one who called Trayvon human excrement


You might as well stop beating around the bush and just admit you despise black people. Own your racism. It's not a bad word to you if it's what you really believe.

Uh - who is you? Is it a PP, or one of the voices that talk to you?

Love the hypocrisy. You complained that he is being tried in the press. Now that heisgetting a real trial you are complaining about how unjust it is. Earlier you were predicting vigilante violence. Now you are forecasting riots. I bet you are the one who called Trayvon human excrement


You might as well stop beating around the bush and just admit you despise black people. Own your racism. It's not a bad word to you if it's what you really believe.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is on top of you attacking you in the way the police report and zimmerman described you are allowed to protect yourself with lethal force using a firearrm. Thats the law.

What if Zimmerman attacked him first? Isn't Martin allowed to "Stand His Ground" and fight back?

I really don't think the law says that you can pick a fight with someone, and once you start getting your ass kicked, you can then shoot that person.

Actually, that's pretty much exactly what it says. That's why it's so ridiculous.