Anonymous
03/02/2012 08:47
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Yep
In another study, someone faked a heart attack when crossing the road
In every case, it was someone very poor who helped the person get accross the busy intersection
In another study, someone faked a heart attack when crossing the road
In every case, it was someone very poor who helped the person get accross the busy intersection
Anonymous
03/01/2012 14:26
Subject: Re:Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's probably too late to try to right this thread, but I'll post a question generated from the responses.
People say the poor driving is because wealthy people can more easily afford the consequences. I think this is true in part.
I'll relate this to my own life.
Sometimes, I do not have enough change for the parking meter for the amount of time I need (and there is not one of those pay with a card meters nearby). I put what I have in the meter and figure that if I get a ticket, oh well, I'll run the risk.
So far, so good, as far OP's point goes.
But, I never decide not to put change I actually have in the meter because I am willing to run the risk.
Does that just go to the size of the risk I am willing to run, a moral relativism point of view that an attempt at compliance is good enough, or something else?
I can easily afford even a $100 ticket, so assume for this purpose that paying such a ticket doesn't register on my radar.
I'm the 11:18 poster. I CAN'T easily afford the $100 ticket. So if I don't have enough change, I find another parking space, even if it's far away. Or cut my time short to avoid the ticket.
People who cheat/skirt the rules don't do it all the time, only when the potential benefits outweighs the cost. Just like you do with the meters. When it benefits you to skirt the rules/run the risk, you do. If there's an easy way to lower the risk (putting change in the meter) you do that too because that benefits you as well.
It's the cost that differs between you and I. $100 doesn't register for you, so that's a small cost to pay to stay at dinner/pick up your kid at daycare/avoid a long walk in the rain. For me, $100 can be the difference between making all my bills that month or having to dip into savings. I'd rather walk 4 blocks in the rain or leave dinner early than get a ticket.
I'm not bitter about the wealthy, I don't care how much money you make unless you're an asshole about it. I know plenty of poor cheaters and plenty of incredibly kind and generous wealthy people. That said, I do think that having a lot of money can make you prone to being entitled or insensitive to others' struggles. There's a feeling that if you have more money than me, you're better/smarter/more worthy than me, when that's not always the case. I've run into it in real life, at all levels of income, not just with rich people.
It's an interesting point, but there were some experiments where the participant faced no negative consequences for cheating. So while I get that poor people may be more disuaded by a fine, it doesn't explain all of the behavior.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 14:13
Subject: Re:Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:It's probably too late to try to right this thread, but I'll post a question generated from the responses.
People say the poor driving is because wealthy people can more easily afford the consequences. I think this is true in part.
I'll relate this to my own life.
Sometimes, I do not have enough change for the parking meter for the amount of time I need (and there is not one of those pay with a card meters nearby). I put what I have in the meter and figure that if I get a ticket, oh well, I'll run the risk.
So far, so good, as far OP's point goes.
But, I never decide not to put change I actually have in the meter because I am willing to run the risk.
Does that just go to the size of the risk I am willing to run, a moral relativism point of view that an attempt at compliance is good enough, or something else?
I can easily afford even a $100 ticket, so assume for this purpose that paying such a ticket doesn't register on my radar.
I'm the 11:18 poster. I CAN'T easily afford the $100 ticket. So if I don't have enough change, I find another parking space, even if it's far away. Or cut my time short to avoid the ticket.
People who cheat/skirt the rules don't do it all the time, only when the potential benefits outweighs the cost. Just like you do with the meters. When it benefits you to skirt the rules/run the risk, you do. If there's an easy way to lower the risk (putting change in the meter) you do that too because that benefits you as well.
It's the cost that differs between you and I. $100 doesn't register for you, so that's a small cost to pay to stay at dinner/pick up your kid at daycare/avoid a long walk in the rain. For me, $100 can be the difference between making all my bills that month or having to dip into savings. I'd rather walk 4 blocks in the rain or leave dinner early than get a ticket.
I'm not bitter about the wealthy, I don't care how much money you make unless you're an asshole about it. I know plenty of poor cheaters and plenty of incredibly kind and generous wealthy people. That said, I do think that having a lot of money can make you prone to being entitled or insensitive to others' struggles. There's a feeling that if you have more money than me, you're better/smarter/more worthy than me, when that's not always the case. I've run into it in real life, at all levels of income, not just with rich people.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 13:53
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:
10:16 - People are married at age 6? WHAT!?
I suppose that might be the only posting that makes sense on this entire thread!
Being rich and cheating have absolutely nothing in common, judging by the wealthy people I know - who could be just as good a representative sample (if not better) than this ridiculous cite.
One of the studies asked people to self-report the results of a game they played in order to win a gift card. The wealthy people cheated more. How is that cite ridiculous? It's pretty darned objective.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 11:13
Subject: Wealth and Morality
10:16 - People are married at age 6? WHAT!?
I suppose that might be the only posting that makes sense on this entire thread!
Being rich and cheating have absolutely nothing in common, judging by the wealthy people I know - who could be just as good a representative sample (if not better) than this ridiculous cite.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:29
Subject: Re:Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:I would say it might depend on how you obtained your wealth - by your own work, or through your parents or husband.
Reasonably well off here and I know and deal with a lot of people who are very wealthy. I imagine there is some truth to the studies on the average, i.e., people who are willing to take advantage of others without scruples are more likely to get ahead, and this is skewed by a judicial system that makes it far harder to prosecute and convict rich people and by the fact that lots of scummy, underhanded tactics are not regarded as crimes. Some of the people I've dealt with are very low on the human scale--they'd probably sell off their own family if it could help them get a ahead. On the other hand, I also know plenty of very rich people who are very nice, generous, humble, honest to a fault and totally grounded in reality.
So while being willing to cheat is more likely to make you rich, being rich in no way implies that you are more likely to cheat.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:19
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Unafraid
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:18
Subject: Wealth and Morality
No lots of other posters have said otherwise.Anonymous wrote:Other people are just taunting you about your ridiculousness, I am one of them.
Tell the world you are bitter about the wealthy why don't you? Problem is, there are too many people like you in this area who claim to be intelligent, yet cite slanted material. You are clearly looking for justification of your bitterness. Congratulations, you are one of the masses.
I think the intensity with which many posters have tried to shout down this thread demonstrates that there is some truth to it. I don't see how I can be bitter about anything. I'm just I afraid to look at this.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:16
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:I passed this by my rocket scientist husband who laughed and said it warrants no comment.
Does this mean you are so clueless that he can't even explain anything to you and you have to take clues from your spouse's laughter? Last I checked, people get past this stage by age 6 or so.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:10
Subject: Wealth and Morality
RantingAtheist wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just a little more propaganda to pit the poor against the rich......
Yes, how dare you engage in Class Warfare! Now be a good little prole, and cough up 30% percent of your income in taxes so that Chester McMoneybags here can have a functioning banking/judicial infrastructure with which to extort an even more disproportionate share of the GDP.
I like you.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:07
Subject: Re:Wealth and Morality
I would say it might depend on how you obtained your wealth - by your own work, or through your parents or husband.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 10:03
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
OH F*CK OP, WHO CARES??!!!
I do, any I told you why pretty clearly. I am wealthy and I am reflecting how money influences people like me. If reflection isn't interesting to you, fine.
OP, I'd just abandon thread. It is overrun with crazies who seem to lack any critical thinking skills. Or perhaps just thinking skills period, since one had to consult her husband before she could come up with a response.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 09:36
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Other people are just taunting you about your ridiculousness, I am one of them.
Tell the world you are bitter about the wealthy why don't you? Problem is, there are too many people like you in this area who claim to be intelligent, yet cite slanted material. You are clearly looking for justification of your bitterness. Congratulations, you are one of the masses.
Tell the world you are bitter about the wealthy why don't you? Problem is, there are too many people like you in this area who claim to be intelligent, yet cite slanted material. You are clearly looking for justification of your bitterness. Congratulations, you are one of the masses.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 00:10
Subject: Wealth and Morality
Anonymous wrote:
OP, maybe you do not understand that you are the only one that cares?
Other people have posted. When they stop, I guess I will believe you.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 00:03
Subject: Wealth and Morality
OP, maybe you do not understand that you are the only one that cares?