9:43, do you even understand what the bill is? Based on your response, I don't think you do. It's about making the fertilized zygote a person. That means that, yes, abortion would become illegal, but there's more to it than that: forms of birth control would become illegal (so there goes your arguement that proper procedures need to be taken to prevent pregnancy), couples who want to use IVF would be unable to, and a whole host of legal issues would come up.

Good for you for choosing to keep your child and raise her. But do not pass your judgements on other women who make different choices. What was good for you is not good for everyone, and a little perspective will help your daughter down the line.

Anonymous wrote:the saddest part of if all is that there are a bunch of presidential candidates currently running for office that would encourage THIS type of laws to pass nation-wide.
I feel sorry for all the women in VA that have to subject themselves to these type of XVII century legislation.

I live in virginia and I support this bill.. I understand that there are casea such as life and death or medical reasons fir having an abortion but there are also too many doin it out of convenience because either they don't want a child at that time or because of educational goals etc... and in my opinion if ur not ready for a child then the proper procedure needs to be takin so that the pregnancy doesn't occur in the first place....I got pregnant at 19 and was attending college and my pregnancy happened because I didn't use protection but I kept her and has raised her and I am almost done with school although it has takin longer and is harder

If there's a personhood law, then saying no thanks to routine sonograms, vaginal exams, or routine medical interventions, or disagreeing with your OB's advice for inducing, etc, could land a woman in legal trouble. This fact actually makes many natural birthing pro-life women in Virginia dislike the personhood law.

If this passes, I guess I can claim my zygote as an exemption for virginia state taxes (but not federal ones).

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.ppaction.org/site/Calendar?id=101974&view=Detail

There is a day of action on this and related issues on Thursday all day. The above link is for Northern VA area.

Below if for general info about the day.
http://www.naralva.org/events/lobby-day.shtml

I though planned parent hood wasn't primarily about abortion, didn't all of you libs decry that when they took funding away?

You're correct: Planned Parenthood is about women's health issues. I know this may surprise you, but access to safe and legal medical procedures only women can have does, in fact, affect women's health. Considering the negative ramifications that will happen if this bill is passed, every woman and every organization that works with women and women's health should be doing something other than reading about it.

What happens to ectopic pregnancies? Does a woman have to wait for a tube to rupture and endanger both her life and her fertility?

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why it hasn't gotten more press. They terminated at around 19 weeks because there was an infection with the fetus that threatened the life of the mother. So they induced labor and delivered, which resulted in a still birth (or death shortly after). I suppose he justifies this to himself that because this was an indirection action it doesn't "count" as a termination. But as someone who terminated at 14 weeks (via D&C) due to a chromosome abnormality, I see no difference in what I did and what they did. The intent and the outcome were the same.

As I understood it, she developed an infection in her uterus and was given a large dose of antibiotics. Doctors urged her to induce, but she went into labor before having to make that choice. I absolutely loathe Santorum and I find if difficult to believe that two people who have gone through such heartbreaking experiences would think that that they know what the right choices should be for everyone else, however, I think it's inaccurate to say that she terminated a pregnancy.

She had a baby she knew would die upon birth. The Santorums wear this and the Edwards Syndrome child like a badge of honor. The are hypocrites in my book. I guess the loophole is that she went spontanteously into labor? Hmm, funny how that happened.

Anonymous wrote:another thing. Pregnant women will not be able to travel outside the country unless they have a passport for the fetus, just as now we cannot take an infant with us unless the infant has a passport. So, how will we issue passports to embryos and fetuses? We won't know their sex so can't give them a name. And what about the use of date of birth on official documents? We would have to use date of conception, but how do we know that for certain?

and this only scratches the surface of the consequences.

Passport laws are federal and, thus, shouldn't be affected by the law. I agree, though, that this is going to bring ridiculous consequences.

if you support it here is a petition to sign support http://www.personhoodusa.com/group/virginia

Anonymous wrote:http://www.ppaction.org/site/Calendar?id=101974&view=Detail

There is a day of action on this and related issues on Thursday all day. The above link is for Northern VA area.

Below if for general info about the day.
http://www.naralva.org/events/lobby-day.shtml

I though planned parent hood wasn't primarily about abortion, didn't all of you libs decry that when they took funding away?

http://www.ppaction.org/site/Calendar?id=101974&view=Detail

There is a day of action on this and related issues on Thursday all day. The above link is for Northern VA area.

Below if for general info about the day.
http://www.naralva.org/events/lobby-day.shtml

I know. I have a few friends who are single-issue pro-life voters, but seem to forget that they also terminated when they were very young adults or had complicated pregnancies. It is OTHER people who are immoral; not them.

I think a lot of it has to do with aspirational thinking. None of us would never want to be in that position, but when it does, the option is important for both men and women.

The march of 20 years of time makes people forget.

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Anonymous wrote:
Well, if we think logically about the consequences...since nearly half of fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted, most before the woman knows she is pregnant, then every menstrual flow will have to be collected and analyzed to see if it contains a "person." And if it does, then there will have to be a coroner's investigation, a determination of whether the woman did anything that contributed to the expulsion of the fertilized egg, etc. Would it help if we broadcast this scenario?


Good point.

Morons.

You are the moron for not being able to foresee the potential complications of this amendment. But, then again, since you probably believe that what is best for you is best for everyone, you likely see no problem with that.

I am so sick of these freaking people I could vomit.

These are the same people who believe bad things will never happen to them. Or if they did, they absolutely know what they would do with the bad news.

--Signed, someone who never thought she would terminate a pregnancy until finding out that the fetus had a major disorder and is now horrified at what could happen to women in her shoes in the future

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Anonymous wrote:
Well, if we think logically about the consequences...since nearly half of fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted, most before the woman knows she is pregnant, then every menstrual flow will have to be collected and analyzed to see if it contains a "person." And if it does, then there will have to be a coroner's investigation, a determination of whether the woman did anything that contributed to the expulsion of the fertilized egg, etc. Would it help if we broadcast this scenario?


Good point.

Morons.

You are the moron for not being able to foresee the potential complications of this amendment. But, then again, since you probably believe that what is best for you is best for everyone, you likely see no problem with that.

I am so sick of these freaking people I could vomit.

Have you called your legislators? Call them today and ask them to vote against the personhood bill. Call the governor and tell him not to sign it into legislation. Facebook about it, tweet about it--get the word out and get it out now!