Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:15     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is not the dog, it's the owner.

Signed, Scared face - attacked by a Chiwawa when I was a child.


I've had a chihuahua and a Rottweiler, and the rot was a sweetheart while the chihuahua was a cranky old bitch. Big dogs do get a bad rap, but they do much more harm when they do bite.


My Yorkie is out for the kill - we have to restrain her on walks and when strangers are at our home. Our big mutt doesn't get off his bed when there's a stranger at our home - he's a great watchdog
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:04     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:It's not a matter of blaming the victim -- it's getting a full understanding of what happened.
We all hope she fully recovers -- I don't think she is a bad person -- she just did a dumb and dangerous thing that had consequences. I've done dumb stuff too -- we all have -- but at least if you acknowledge it, learn from it, hopefully you or anyone else WITNESSING IT (i.e., on live TV) will not REPEAT IT.
By the way -- I am neither Siegfried or Roy, but I have enough sense not to stick my face in a tiger's face!


A tiger is not a pet.

But, yes, I agree that there are a couple of lessons to be learned from this...for dog owners and the public at large. Doesn't excuse belittling the victim here.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:04     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:03     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

All you have to do is look at the picture in the article to figure out what went wrong during the interview. No one with any common sense would put her face that close to the face of a dog she doesn't know really well. The dog bit her because in doggy language, she was threatening him. The owner should never have allowed the dog to be put in that position. And the host is obviously clueless about dog behavior.


I thought the same thing -and I thought it strange that anyone would feel that comfortable with a dog they don't know.
Yeah, I don't like to blame the victim but I gasped when I saw how close she put her face to that dog's face. I never would do that, regardless of the breed, especially when the dog is in a new and strange environment. And I certainly would try to stop anyone else who did that to my dog. But given that it was live tv, I wonder whether it would have been more difficult to interrupt the tv host and stop her from doing that. That said, I have no idea what the owner did. Haven't seen the tape.


Here's the video on YouTube.

The owner was rubbing the dog's ears, and the anchorwoman was petting the dog, under his chin, etc. The dog bared his teeth, then bit her in the face.

Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:01     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Come on. People don't have natural instincts when it comes to dogs because they are pets. They are pets that are so heavily personified in our culture that it's no surprise people treat them like they treat children. As much as you people want to say it's "common sense", it's not. If all you ever knew was your neighbor's friendly golden retriever, or your own sweet dog, maybe you would make a dumb mistake with someone else's animal. Sure, it was a mistake, but it is cruel to say it was stupidity on her part.

I am an animal lover, I have pets, but I never forget that they're animals and not people. Can't say the same for a LOT of pet owners.


I don't think anyone is saying that it's stupid. Just that it was preventable and not a case of an animal just "snapping" out of the blue.


Sigh, not to beat a dead horse, but a few posters definitely have alluded to her foolishness and her being "dumb enough" to get that close to a strange animal. That's what I was responding to.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:01     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

It's not a matter of blaming the victim -- it's getting a full understanding of what happened.
We all hope she fully recovers -- I don't think she is a bad person -- she just did a dumb and dangerous thing that had consequences. I've done dumb stuff too -- we all have -- but at least if you acknowledge it, learn from it, hopefully you or anyone else WITNESSING IT (i.e., on live TV) will not REPEAT IT.
By the way -- I am neither Siegfried or Roy, but I have enough sense not to stick my face in a tiger's face!
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 15:00     Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

I have a new dog that happens to be very cute but I can't get over how many otherwise sane adults will get down on their knees and allow my dog to lick the insides of their mouths and NOSES. Yes, his tongue goes inside their NOSE AND THEY GIGGLE and tongue my dog. I carry around a flask of Hydrogen peroxide and baby wipes for when we encounter these "dog kissers" I wish people would stop. The dog licks me on my hand. He also eats CAT POOP. Why are you letting him lick inside of your mouth and nose? Yes ,he is cute, but get a grip! It's a DOG!
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:59     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is not the dog, it's the owner.

Signed, Scared face - attacked by a Chiwawa when I was a child.


So not true. I know this is something pit bull owners like to throw out there, but I have seen and heard of many well raised dogs turning on their owners. Unfortunately they are animals, and we don't know what is going on in their heads. Breeds like pit bulls, rottweillers, mastiffs are dangerous and unpredictable. They were bred to kill. That was their entire purpose. My dad used to say "if you raise them right they are such wonderful pets". His dog was pampered and loved and disciplined with a tender hand. But the momment she got out of his sight, this darling little pit bull was out killing cats and chasing other dogs and the occasional person. My dad tried to keep her locked up, but she was crafty. Finally she chased the wrong persons and ended up dead.


So let's just kill all the bad dogs, right?

What's your suggestion?



My suggestion is to aggresively inforce dog ownership laws. Crack down on puppy mills and dog fighting rings. Impose mandatory spay/neuter laws and make it crime to posses one if it is not fixed. Basically let the breed die out. They were an invented breed, It won't stop the rotation of the earth by not having them anymore.


Enforce not Inforce. Agree with ending puppy mills, dog fighting, madatory spay/neuter laws but not breed specific legislation.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:58     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:This sucks. Poor woman. Poor dog.
Yeah, this is probably the best way to think about this.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:56     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's all these blame the victim types that probably leave their damn dogs unattended outside! So arrogant.


Not sure where you're getting that. You sound angry and ready to jump the gun.


Yes. I am angry at irresponsible owners that are doing dogs more harm than good. Don't blame other people when your dog hurts someone. 9 out of 10 times you could have prevented it. In the end it's the dogs and other people that suffer because of you.


I don't know if you are the same extreme poster who thinks all pit's should be euthanized, but I seriously cannot understand this point of view- who are you talking to? I know my dog (not a pit or any other so called "killer breed") has not and more than likely will not snap and hurt someone. I don't know if maybe you had a bad experience with dogs and you are taking it out on the people of this forum but you should maybe get into some therapy to get over your anxiety.


No, I'm not that poster. And please don't gaslight me just because YOU feel threatened by my post. I am talking to people who think the anchorwoman should be blamed for what happened here. I shudder to think about those people owning dogs. Don't leave your dog unattended, don't let people or other dogs invade you dog's space. If you do leave your dog unattended, or allow a stranger to get too close, it's nobody's fault but yours if someone gets hurt. Dog ownership 101. I don't see why you are being so defensive?
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:53     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

All you have to do is look at the picture in the article to figure out what went wrong during the interview. No one with any common sense would put her face that close to the face of a dog she doesn't know really well. The dog bit her because in doggy language, she was threatening him. The owner should never have allowed the dog to be put in that position. And the host is obviously clueless about dog behavior.


I thought the same thing -and I thought it strange that anyone would feel that comfortable with a dog they don't know.
Yeah, I don't like to blame the victim but I gasped when I saw how close she put her face to that dog's face. I never would do that, regardless of the breed, especially when the dog is in a new and strange environment. And I certainly would try to stop anyone else who did that to my dog. But given that it was live tv, I wonder whether it would have been more difficult to interrupt the tv host and stop her from doing that. That said, I have no idea what the owner did. Haven't seen the tape.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:49     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:The problem is not the dog, it's the owner.

Signed, Scared face - attacked by a Chiwawa when I was a child.


I've had a chihuahua and a Rottweiler, and the rot was a sweetheart while the chihuahua was a cranky old bitch. Big dogs do get a bad rap, but they do much more harm when they do bite.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:48     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:Come on. People don't have natural instincts when it comes to dogs because they are pets. They are pets that are so heavily personified in our culture that it's no surprise people treat them like they treat children. As much as you people want to say it's "common sense", it's not. If all you ever knew was your neighbor's friendly golden retriever, or your own sweet dog, maybe you would make a dumb mistake with someone else's animal. Sure, it was a mistake, but it is cruel to say it was stupidity on her part.

I am an animal lover, I have pets, but I never forget that they're animals and not people. Can't say the same for a LOT of pet owners.


I don't think anyone is saying that it's stupid. Just that it was preventable and not a case of an animal just "snapping" out of the blue.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:47     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Come on. People don't have natural instincts when it comes to dogs because they are pets. They are pets that are so heavily personified in our culture that it's no surprise people treat them like they treat children. As much as you people want to say it's "common sense", it's not. If all you ever knew was your neighbor's friendly golden retriever, or your own sweet dog, maybe you would make a dumb mistake with someone else's animal. Sure, it was a mistake, but it is cruel to say it was stupidity on her part.

I am an animal lover, I have pets, but I never forget that they're animals and not people. Can't say the same for a LOT of pet owners.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2012 14:45     Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's all these blame the victim types that probably leave their damn dogs unattended outside! So arrogant.


Not sure where you're getting that. You sound angry and ready to jump the gun.


Yes. I am angry at irresponsible owners that are doing dogs more harm than good. Don't blame other people when your dog hurts someone. 9 out of 10 times you could have prevented it. In the end it's the dogs and other people that suffer because of you.


I don't know if you are the same extreme poster who thinks all pit's should be euthanized, but I seriously cannot understand this point of view- who are you talking to? I know my dog (not a pit or any other so called "killer breed") has not and more than likely will not snap and hurt someone. I don't know if maybe you had a bad experience with dogs and you are taking it out on the people of this forum but you should maybe get into some therapy to get over your anxiety.