Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you don't think it's life from the moment of conception, don't you understand that some people do?

That some people believe that it is a human being that is being killed even if it's mother is disabled and its father is a scum rapist?

So you don't share those beliefs, fine, but why do you judge them?

And I imagine you confess a belief in choice, that a woman should be able to choose an abortion, and that the guardians of a woman with disabilities should be able to choose to give her plan b or have an abortion...then why can't they make the other choice, even if it is a difference choice that you would make?

I can at least understand when people have internally consistent beliefs, but often people who have the opinion you specify are also very pro-death penalty. So the "life is life" argument just doesn't hold much water with me.

Your response doesn't hold much water with me. I know a number of people who are "pro-life" and not a single one of them is pro-death penalty. So now that we have that out of the way, perhaps you'd like to make a more intelligent response?

there are a lot of reasons why i am calling BULLSHIT on this article. your daughter is brutally raped, injured so seriously that a nurse thinks she should be hospitalized, and then you go home, blog happily about mary cassatt and pedicures, and gleefully trumpet how awesome you are for burnishing your pro-life cred? either you are full of shit, or you are the Worst Mother In The World.

another thing -- they took her disabled daughter and did a highly invasive medical procedure on her (the rape kit). without you present. WITHOUT MOTHER PRESENT?!?!? the child is either a). a minor or b). has the capacity of an 8 to 10 year old (according to Mom's own words) or c). both, in which case MOM'S CONSENT is required for such a procedure!!! What the HELL kind of mother sits there while strangers conduct a rape kit on her possibly underage, definitely mentally disabled, raped and brutalized daughter? Sits there in the Gloria Steinem room, with soft music playing and hoopskirted women prance in pictures on the wall. BULLSHIT. either you are full of shit, or you are the Worst Mother In The World.

oh yeah, and what the fuck kind of women's shelter has such beautifully appointed facilities? conference room? soft music? chintzy art on the walls? is this the Ritz Carlton of shelters? i wish to God that REAL women's shelters had that kind of funding.

wrong. wrong, wrong, WRONG. some people are really goddamn loony.

I can't help but wonder if the mother is even concerned with catching the rapist. Or if he. So caught, will she simply forgive him and thank him for the baby?

I can't wait to see her blog post after he files for joint custody!

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Disabled people have kids all the time. I'm not saying it's right in these circumstances, but it's not a reason not to have children.

Oh, didn't you get the memo? All the pro-choicers abort their unborn disabled babies. They don't believe that disabled people should be born, let alone reproduce.

Why was her daughter raped in the first place.
I think she was neglectful

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe for one second that that crap is real.

Who, after finding out their daughter, who has been missing for 48 hours, has been raped and brutalized has the presence of mind immediately after to sit down and blog about how awesome she is for sticking to her ideals?

Also the daughter is bipolar, yet this person repeatedly calls her mentally ill and goes on about her diminished capacity.... I might be mistaken, but properly medicated a bi polar individual is perfectly capable of thinking for themselves. So all she did was shove her own morals down her daughter's throat. If this was real, then this is the Worst Mother Ever.

Will the daughter be able to take her meds while she is pregnant? What will happen to the baby? Will the mother be present during labor and delivery? Will the mother continue to publicize the daughter's plight for her own selfish purposes? What is the father's take on all of this?

Well when her daughter's disease spirals out of control from having to go off meds thanks to the baby, and she kills herself, her mother can blog about how she was too good for this sinful earth anyway.

Anonymous wrote:

That is a tired straw man argument.

It was meant to be a "Meaning of Life" reference, but whatever.

It doesn't matter how many times you point out to these wackos that further research has found that Plan B is in no way an abortifacient. Some of these people think the pill causes abortions. Some of these people think that even natural family planning goes against God's plan. So it's not really a straw man argument.

Not who you're responding to, but not only did I get it, I now have it stuck in my head.

If this story is true...

I can't help but wonder if the mother is even concerned with catching the rapist. Or if he. So caught, will she simply forgive him and thank him for the baby? Sick. With a mother who is bipolar with cognitive issues and a rapist for a father (likely with his own mental issues), what kind of life will this baby live?

5. She's a rape victim so unless they have apprehended him then he will keep silent as he would end up in the state pen.

Agree with all of the above, but I think PP was referring to the daughter/rape victim's father, not the blastocyst's father/rapist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the father's take on all of this?

5. She's a rape victim so unless they have apprehended him then he will keep silent as he would end up in the state pen.

Hopefully this was referring to the father of the young woman (the husband of the blogger) and not the rapist.

That is a tired straw man argument.

It was meant to be a "Meaning of Life" reference, but whatever.

It doesn't matter how many times you point out to these wackos that further research has found that Plan B is in no way an abortifacient. Some of these people think the pill causes abortions. Some of these people think that even natural family planning goes against God's plan. So it's not really a straw man argument.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe for one second that that crap is real.

Who, after finding out their daughter, who has been missing for 48 hours, has been raped and brutalized has the presence of mind immediately after to sit down and blog about how awesome she is for sticking to her ideals?

Also the daughter is bipolar, yet this person repeatedly calls her mentally ill and goes on about her diminished capacity.... I might be mistaken, but properly medicated a bi polar individual is perfectly capable of thinking for themselves. So all she did was shove her own morals down her daughter's throat. If this was real, then this is the Worst Mother Ever.

Will the daughter be able to take her meds while she is pregnant? What will happen to the baby? Will the mother be present during labor and delivery? Will the mother continue to publicize the daughter's plight for her own selfish purposes? What is the father's take on all of this?

1. No

2. God only knows. Probably her mother will keep it.

3. Yes and then she will write about it once again invading her daughter's privacy.

4. Yes, Yes, Yes. She will write a book detailing everything, sell it to a made for TV movie, she daughter, and granddaughter will them have their own reality show. Mother will make tons of money.

5. She's a rape victim so unless they have apprehended him then he will keep silent as he would end up in the state pen.

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe for one second that that crap is real.

Who, after finding out their daughter, who has been missing for 48 hours, has been raped and brutalized has the presence of mind immediately after to sit down and blog about how awesome she is for sticking to her ideals?

Also the daughter is bipolar, yet this person repeatedly calls her mentally ill and goes on about her diminished capacity.... I might be mistaken, but properly medicated a bi polar individual is perfectly capable of thinking for themselves. So all she did was shove her own morals down her daughter's throat. If this was real, then this is the Worst Mother Ever.

Will the daughter be able to take her meds while she is pregnant? What will happen to the baby? Will the mother be present during labor and delivery? Will the mother continue to publicize the daughter's plight for her own selfish purposes? What is the father's take on all of this?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This wasn't her decision to make. It was her daughter's decision. Maybe her daughter would have decided to use the Plan B, maybe she'd have made the same decision as the mother, either way I would have supported that choice. But the mom's job in this, her only job in this should have been to stand by her daughter, to make sure she had comfort and company while she made the choice, and that she had access to unbiases, accurate information.

Her daughter agreed with her mother's decision:

"Hilton says her daughter understands what happened and is glad she did not take the pill. “I said, ‘That kind of medication makes you have an abortion if you’re pregnant.’ And she said, ‘Oh, it would kill the baby. Oh, then I’m glad you didn’t give it to me.’”

That, to me, sounds like the mom checked in with the daughter after she made the decision, that quite likely she didn't talk to her daughter until the 24 hours were past, and when she did she gave a very biased account of what the medication does.

Anonymous wrote:

Plan B can prevent ovulation.

But that's murder, didn't you know? Every sperm is sacred, even the one from the rapist that could have possibly impregnated my daughter! Even though she'll to have to go off her bipolar medication during the pregnancy and raise a baby even though she's severely cognitively impaired! A choice everyone can live with!

Un. Fucking. Real.

That is a tired straw man argument. It is the mark of a weak position to use straw man argumentation.