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Anonymous

01/28/2012 10:32 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

9:36, this is too easy. Our entire city was once memorialized in a song as Chocolate City. So don't let it upset you honey, everything will be alright. Sheesh

Anonymous

01/28/2012 10:29 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The reality is, we are moving beyond a race based society to a class based society. It's not any better, but at least try to keep up with the times.

You keep up with the times too -- a lot of us white folks already know that and don't need a lesson on it. In fact, your lecture suggests you're still a bit hung up on race and feel you need to help us whiteys out.

You are quite over sensitive. If you read what I wrote then you should have noticed that I was careful to qualify my statements with words like "some," etc. I have many white friends who really try to understand and gain an appreciation for our differences both racially and cultural. I love DC because there are many progressive whites who have a vision for a society that is more equal and offers opportunity to all. Not only do they have a vision, but they volunteer their time and talent to make it happen.

But let's be clear...that is not everyone. Whites are not a monolithic group any more than blacks are. If you regularly visit DCUM than surely you have noticed that some people are unable/unwilling to see the shades of grey that make up all races and cultures.

Anonymous

01/28/2012 09:45 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really, you can't imagine or visualize a culture if hypothetically the charter brigade would return back to their neighborhood school. By quoting the numbers you have shown me, you have provided me what you consider a comfortable level. A double-digit minority, that is a bonanza in a predominant AA student body. Congrats. As whites will recruit whites to successful schools within DCPS. Plainly put the JKLM movement is AA PTSA lead in certain cases but will always be white manipulated and extorted.

Currently the double digit minority has established a mafia mentality of keeping the classes of people separate. I must say when you all are wickedly conniving then you all are phenomenal at being undetected.

What?

I dunno - all the words appear to be English, but they're not strung together in any comprehensible order.

Anonymous

01/28/2012 09:36 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I rarely go "west of the park" because I might as well go into Maryland or VA. If you live in DC....you do so because you want to live in the City. West of the park might as well be Alexandria or Bethesda.

I call it Whiteville.

Upper Caucasia

Is it the new "cool" to put down majority white neighborhoods.

Would you call a majority black neighborhood "Blackville" or "East African America?"

Anonymous

01/28/2012 07:24 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

The what response is from a clueless troll no doubt. Then it continued from this troll with a response of 1979-huh.

The Mocha Moms would always refer and discuss the white mafia motives at JKLM. Please take the description of being called the mafia as a compliment. It could have been nicknamed much worse, such as troll incorporated.

Anonymous

01/27/2012 23:05 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"And that's giving DCPS entirely too much credit! African-American residents still talk about "The Plan" for white people to take back the city. Now white residents can have their own version of "The Plan"!

But really, what is so strange about this? Increased demand will lead to increased supply. At least that seems to be how it has worked on the Hill, where the middle class now want to get into schools that were entirely dominated by the poor just a few years ago. Don't be waitin' for DCPS to beg you to come to these schools. You will wait a long time. "[/u]

To the person who wrote this, are you retarded? I have been black along time and live in the city. I have NEVER heard anyone say this!

No I'm not intellectually challenged, thank you! I have heard people talk about it and apparently someone who writes for Wikipedia has as well. But, granted, perhaps I should have said that, apparently, a few African-American residents still talk about this. Or that some people in the media believe that African-American residents believe this. At any rate, it's a real concept. Read on, pp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plan_%28Washington,_D.C.%29

It appears that Lillian Wiggins, a columnist for the Washington Afro American newspaper, was the first to articulate the conspiracy theory. In 1979, she wrote: "Many residents believe that the Marion Barry era may be the last time Washington will have a black mayor. If negative programming and characterization of black leadership are allowed to continue in the city of Washington and especially the black community, there is a strong possibility of the 'master plan' which I have so often spoken about maturing in the 1980s." As with many conspiracy theories, The Plan has some foundation in reality: believers note that the Federal City Council, an organized group of civic and corporate leaders, mostly white, meets in secret and uses its power to influence the city's direction.[1]

1979 - huh?

Anonymous

01/27/2012 22:37 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:Really, you can't imagine or visualize a culture if hypothetically the charter brigade would return back to their neighborhood school. By quoting the numbers you have shown me, you have provided me what you consider a comfortable level. A double-digit minority, that is a bonanza in a predominant AA student body. Congrats. As whites will recruit whites to successful schools within DCPS. Plainly put the JKLM movement is AA PTSA lead in certain cases but will always be white manipulated and extorted.

Currently the double digit minority has established a mafia mentality of keeping the classes of people separate. I must say when you all are wickedly conniving then you all are phenomenal at being undetected.

What?

Anonymous

01/27/2012 22:31 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

I don't think you realize how scared white people still are of black people. It's easy to forget in a city where whites have long been in the minority but in most of the country (and among some people in this city) this is still true. Racism against blacks is exacerbated by class divisions but it goes beyond class in a persistent way.

No. You are completely off base here.

Anonymous

01/27/2012 22:29 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:I rarely go "west of the park" because I might as well go into Maryland or VA. If you live in DC....you do so because you want to live in the City. West of the park might as well be Alexandria or Bethesda.

I call it Whiteville.

I call it Upper Caucasia.

Same difference.

Anonymous

01/27/2012 22:02 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

The source for the demographic breakdown in PP is the 2010 US Census, with an update in 2011. AAs dropped under the 50% mark in 2011 and demographers say that number will steadily decline in coming years, based on statistical analysis

Anonymous

01/27/2012 21:42 Subject: is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Really, you can't imagine or visualize a culture if hypothetically the charter brigade would return back to their neighborhood school. By quoting the numbers you have shown me, you have provided me what you consider a comfortable level. A double-digit minority, that is a bonanza in a predominant AA student body. Congrats. As whites will recruit whites to successful schools within DCPS. Plainly put the JKLM movement is AA PTSA lead in certain cases but will always be white manipulated and extorted.

Currently the double digit minority has established a mafia mentality of keeping the classes of people separate. I must say when you all are wickedly conniving then you all are phenomenal at being undetected.

jsteele

01/27/2012 21:33 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:
Hey, educated person, try reading what I said. I didn't say they deserved sympathy. I was responding to the argument made above that we are moving to a class-based society, which I took to mean that prejudice is now based on class more than it's based on race. There has always been class prejudice in this country but race-based prejudice hasn't gone away, it's just become more subtle. And yes, I think some white people living in DC forget that racism is still out there because they live in a minority-white city and they're not recognizing that prejudice is alive and well (even within themselves). But I also think there is a segment of white people living in the District who are still blatantly prejudiced and that it goes beyond class. (I see it in supposedly liberal Capitol Hill all the time) And I'm absolutely certain there are plenty of whites around the country who hold race-based prejudice that has nothing to do with class whatsoever.

I know there is a regular DCUM poster who emphasizes class prejudice over racial prejudice and I think she has a point but I think she is wrong in the assumption (if I read her correctly) that class prejudice has now eclipsed racial prejudice. And yeah, I don't think she realizes how scared some white people still are of black people. It's a baseless fear born out of prejudice and refusal to recognize their own white privilege but it's a fear nevertheless. And calling it fear doesn't mean it should be accommodated. It should never accommodated. But how about you try reading more carefully before jumping in to call someone a jackass?

I don't know what your goal is, or even if you have a goal. But, you are playing a very negative role in this thread. The poster who brought up class was not talking about prejudice. The word didn't even appear in her post. She was discussing how groups in DC can be categorized. Discussing the city as being divided between black and white is insufficient when there is a segment of black society that has more in common with the white community than with African-Americans of a different socio-economic stratum. She suggested that class is a more accurate metric.

Her argument has nothing to do with which prejudices may or may not exist between groups. Indeed, prejudices exist across many lines with Christians who don't like Jews, straights who don't like gays, whites who don't like blacks and blacks who similarly don't like whites. That is a completely different discussion. Nobody here is denying that there is prejudice against blacks. But, claiming that white people in DC are dominated by an uncontrollable fear of black people is simply ridiculous. Frankly, it's insulting. It is exactly the sort of generalization about a group of people from which racism is born. Moreover, I cannot think of any topic less interesting then a discussion of which prejudice is better or worse then another prejudice. All of them are wrong.

Anonymous

01/27/2012 20:36 Subject: Re:is "forcing" middle class families into DCPS basically the recovery strategy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is, we are moving beyond a race based society to a class based society. It's not any better, but at least try to keep up with the times.

I don't think you realize how scared white people still are of black people. It's easy to forget in a city where whites have long been in the minority but in most of the country (and among some people in this city) this is still true. Racism against blacks is exacerbated by class divisions but it goes beyond class in a persistent way.

Oh my lord, you must be a troll.

"I don't think you realize how scared white people still are of black people" - you can't be serious. Are these the same white people who moved into DC knowing it's a majority black city? Because if that's the case, those are some really stupid white people you hang with. I might believe it out in the far-flung suburbs, but anyone who moves into DC and starts admonishing a well-spoken, clearly educated AA woman that she needs to realize (and what next? accommodate? have sympathy for?) "how scared white people still are" is just a jackass. There's really no better word, with the exception of mouth-breathing moron (oops, that's two words).

Hey, educated person, try reading what I said. I didn't say they deserved sympathy. I was responding to the argument made above that we are moving to a class-based society, which I took to mean that prejudice is now based on class more than it's based on race. There has always been class prejudice in this country but race-based prejudice hasn't gone away, it's just become more subtle. And yes, I think some white people living in DC forget that racism is still out there because they live in a minority-white city and they're not recognizing that prejudice is alive and well (even within themselves). But I also think there is a segment of white people living in the District who are still blatantly prejudiced and that it goes beyond class. (I see it in supposedly liberal Capitol Hill all the time) And I'm absolutely certain there are plenty of whites around the country who hold race-based prejudice that has nothing to do with class whatsoever.

I know there is a regular DCUM poster who emphasizes class prejudice over racial prejudice and I think she has a point but I think she is wrong in the assumption (if I read her correctly) that class prejudice has now eclipsed racial prejudice. And yeah, I don't think she realizes how scared some white people still are of black people. It's a baseless fear born out of prejudice and refusal to recognize their own white privilege but it's a fear nevertheless. And calling it fear doesn't mean it should be accommodated. It should never accommodated. But how about you try reading more carefully before jumping in to call someone a jackass?