Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:51
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The medical community has a pretty strict definition of miscarriage vs. stillbirth. They are both pregnancy loss - Miscarriage before 20 weeks, Stillbirth after 20 weeks. So, in strict medical terms, she had a miscarriage.
you're funny.
and I think you're wrong.
in the US, if I'm not mistaken 1sr tri loss is early miscarriage, 2nd tri until 24 weeks is late miscarriage and stillbirth from then on.
and the medical community has no "strict definitions" on anything like this. every country follows different protocols including on handling of the embryo, fetus or child.
OMG. Did you read at all? She said it was technically a miscarriage. YOUR timeline calls it a miscarriage. So you agree with the poster yet think you disagree? And who cares what the medical community in other countries say about it when it happened in THIS country and the Duggar family presumably gets their healthcare based on the AMERICAN medical community's guidelines and policies.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:42
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:The medical community has a pretty strict definition of miscarriage vs. stillbirth. They are both pregnancy loss - Miscarriage before 20 weeks, Stillbirth after 20 weeks. So, in strict medical terms, she had a miscarriage.
you're funny.
and I think you're wrong.
in the US, if I'm not mistaken 1sr tri loss is early miscarriage, 2nd tri until 24 weeks is late miscarriage and stillbirth from then on.
and the medical community has no "strict definitions" on anything like this. every country follows different protocols including on handling of the embryo, fetus or child.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:15
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
The medical community has a pretty strict definition of miscarriage vs. stillbirth. They are both pregnancy loss - Miscarriage before 20 weeks, Stillbirth after 20 weeks. So, in strict medical terms, she had a miscarriage.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 16:55
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Apparently everyone has different definitions of what a "real" baby is and when the borderline is between miscarriage and stillbirth.
I think if the pregnancy ended at a stage where they could determine the gender of the baby, it is certainly well within their right to consider it a "real" baby and name it, bury it, whatever they want.
I guess I was just lucky enough that my 16-week fetus continued to grow into the child she is now.
I think if the pregnancy ended at a stage where they could determine the gender of the baby, it is certainly well within their right to consider it a "real" baby and name it, bury it, whatever they want.
I guess I was just lucky enough that my 16-week fetus continued to grow into the child she is now.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 16:46
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Hi, I came to this thread for advice. I'm preparing an obituary of my own and I'm wondering what names should I give the three fertilized eggs that didnt' take during my last round of IVF?
Please be smarter than MD and understand that you're not a fit for parenthood.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 15:49
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Hi, I came to this thread for advice. I'm preparing an obituary of my own and I'm wondering what names should I give the three fertilized eggs that didnt' take during my last round of IVF?
Couldabeen, Shouldabeen, Wouldabeen. Middle names Hope, Faith, Joy.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 15:48
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Hi, I came to this thread for advice. I'm preparing an obituary of my own and I'm wondering what names should I give the three fertilized eggs that didnt' take during my last round of IVF?
Anonymous
12/14/2011 14:55
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
I just want to say that I like the choice of name, beautiful meaning. I wish them the best. I hope that the family is doing well, yes they put their lives out there but they still are human.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 14:51
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Regarding late talkers:
Take the book Late-Talking Children out of the library. Late-talkers in large families are not uncommon. Little ones often have an older "translator," so they do not have the same pressing need to refine oral communication, especially when they are always together, as the Duggars are. Also, there are certain cognitive profiles (often correlated with exceptional intelligence in certain areas) that tend to late oral skills.
I have seen this extensively within my very large extended family. There are lots of engineers and musicians, mathematicians and designers, and many talked very late. My brother who had spina bifida occulta was a very late talker, but he had plenty of people who understood him, and he's a brilliant computer scientist and composer as an adult. My own late talker is a chatterbox when the spirit moves him now, and he seems to be following in the path of his grandfather and his uncles through his love of math and design.
Observers may see neglect, but members of the family who actually KNOW the child may simply have patience and greater insight. Observation and consultation and possibly intervention might be explored, but loving parents usually do what they think is best. There is no way a heavily edited TV show gives an accurate developmental picture.
But for those looking for something negative to say, they will find it anywhere. Even in the loss of a child, apparently. Same tactic as the Westboro Baptist "Church," really--seizing on someome's tragedy to advance their own agenda. Shame on you mean people.
ITA. I am the youngest of 9 (so not as big) but I rarely talked until I was in high school. My sisters ordered food for me. I hated to be called in during class - I knew the answer, I just didn't like to talk. Meet me today and you'd never think that
Josie also seems on par with the development of my premie. He's a normal 4 today, but the first 2 years, even "age adjusted" he was a little behind.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 14:36
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:This is a bit off topic, but....this shows what their devotion to TLC:
Jason Duggar's terrifying accident is filmed by his mom and siblings for their show
Michelle Duggar whips out a camera phone right after the accident. After the eleven-year-old could have been killed when he fell 12 feet into an orchestra pit (luckily, he only knocked out some teeth, fractured his jaw, and sprained his knee), his family members' first reactions were to pull out their phones and start filming the aftermath.
The Duggars have gone too far, and need a serious, perhaps permanent, break from documenting every moment of their lives, including accidents and illness (they have also filmed their children going through chicken pox and wisdom teeth removal). Why was making sure this child's serious accident was captured on film the priority?
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/10/jason-duggars-terrifying-accident-is.html
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I agree. Let's not forget about Anna, Josh's wife, giving birth on the toilet at their home in front of an audience of millions, or about them "saying goodbye" to Jim Bob's father when he died following a long illness (illness and funeral all captured on film).
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the memorial service is made into an episode.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 14:28
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
This is a bit off topic, but....this shows what their devotion to TLC:
Jason Duggar's terrifying accident is filmed by his mom and siblings for their show
Michelle Duggar whips out a camera phone right after the accident. After the eleven-year-old could have been killed when he fell 12 feet into an orchestra pit (luckily, he only knocked out some teeth, fractured his jaw, and sprained his knee), his family members' first reactions were to pull out their phones and start filming the aftermath.
The Duggars have gone too far, and need a serious, perhaps permanent, break from documenting every moment of their lives, including accidents and illness (they have also filmed their children going through chicken pox and wisdom teeth removal). Why was making sure this child's serious accident was captured on film the priority?
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/10/jason-duggars-terrifying-accident-is.html
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Jason Duggar's terrifying accident is filmed by his mom and siblings for their show
Michelle Duggar whips out a camera phone right after the accident. After the eleven-year-old could have been killed when he fell 12 feet into an orchestra pit (luckily, he only knocked out some teeth, fractured his jaw, and sprained his knee), his family members' first reactions were to pull out their phones and start filming the aftermath.
The Duggars have gone too far, and need a serious, perhaps permanent, break from documenting every moment of their lives, including accidents and illness (they have also filmed their children going through chicken pox and wisdom teeth removal). Why was making sure this child's serious accident was captured on film the priority?
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/10/jason-duggars-terrifying-accident-is.html
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Anonymous
12/14/2011 12:58
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
I don't think the obituary was in poor taste at all. I'm not a religious nut but I have had friends/family that miscarried or had stillbirths and it was a tremendous loss for them. Families are entitled to mourn.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 12:53
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?
Most people who have a stillborn have chosen a name already and give the baby the name it would have had had it lived. Though, I'm sure the Duggars would also give the embryo a name if she found out she was pregnant at 6 weeks and miscarried at 8. That's just how they are.
We didn't settle on a name until the last month of pregnancy. Wouldn't have wanted to jinx the pg.
Did you buy anything? Plan a nursery? Plan for maternity leave or daycare? Or did you just wait until the baby was born to make any jinxy plans?
Jesus, why so snarky? I also didn't settle on a name until *gasp* the baby was born. And I'm a PP who thinks this obituary is distasteful. And yes, I made daycare plans and purchased furniture and other baby stuff DESPITE my major superstition. I didn't have a shower (jewish) but made some other prep. I don't see the two as incongruous.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 11:46
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?
Most people who have a stillborn have chosen a name already and give the baby the name it would have had had it lived. Though, I'm sure the Duggars would also give the embryo a name if she found out she was pregnant at 6 weeks and miscarried at 8. That's just how they are.
We didn't settle on a name until the last month of pregnancy. Wouldn't have wanted to jinx the pg.
Did you buy anything? Plan a nursery? Plan for maternity leave or daycare? Or did you just wait until the baby was born to make any jinxy plans?
Anonymous
12/14/2011 11:29
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?
Most people who have a stillborn have chosen a name already and give the baby the name it would have had had it lived. Though, I'm sure the Duggars would also give the embryo a name if she found out she was pregnant at 6 weeks and miscarried at 8. That's just how they are.
We didn't settle on a name until the last month of pregnancy. Wouldn't have wanted to jinx the pg.
If you think that picking a name "jinxes" anything than you have a major problem.