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Anonymous wrote:OP, Google "Masons Catholic Church" if you would like to learn more about their beliefs, rituals, history, and intent.

It is true that Catholics cannot join, because it is an anti-Catholic institution.

I grew up Catholic and now I am an anti-Catholic household. Maybe OP would ban her DH from working or being friends with me. Really, the Catholic Church was built on lies, scandal, stealing, whore houses, and so on. If you are going to scandalize the Masons you need to be fair and look at the history of the Catholic Church. Inquisition? Crusades? Gays? Abortion?

Seriously. Glass houses, people.

That sounds rather reductionist, and misguided.

Have you ever read the Catechism? Perhaps, as an exercise of open-mindedness, you could read it one section at a time, and ask yourself if there is anything that you do not think is true, and if so, why not.

I attended Catholic school grades k-12, including catechism. I also know the history of the Catholic Church, the basis of the Catholic holidays (Sunday, Christmas, Easter), and how corrupt the Church has been through out history. There is no lack of open-mindedness about it.

Ok. But just out of curiosity, do you think the Church was wrong from the start? I mean, do you think there was no such man as Jesus, or there was, but he just died on a cross, and everything else was made up? And for all the good that the Church has done, was that all accidental, whereas the bad stuff was deliberate, a conspiracy?

What about early Church history, with the persecution and the martyrs? Were all those people just fools who fell for a cult?

Because you're right--the Church is either true or false. You believe it is false. Where did its falseness begin?

I think that a mere men wrote the bible. I think men picked and chose which "books" to keep in the bible based on which books suited their needs. I think that the Church was molded though-out history to fit the times and to make the best of the situation for themselves, they were highly political and not a stupid organization. God and Jesus, in most cases, were not their first priority. And yes, the Church does do a great amount of good, but they also did a great amount of bad. Perhaps they cancel one another out.

The fact that they do not recognize gay people, yet they have been scandalized in their own by pedophiles they will do nothing about... the hypocrisy is brazen. Let's not discuss the abuse to children across Europe in their orphanages and schools in the early 1900's. Everything they do that is wrong is swept under the rug, or they ask for forgiveness. Either, or.

And who knows if Jesus was the son of God. The Jews say no, he was not. Maybe he wasn't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Google "Masons Catholic Church" if you would like to learn more about their beliefs, rituals, history, and intent.

It is true that Catholics cannot join, because it is an anti-Catholic institution.

I grew up Catholic and now I am an anti-Catholic household. Maybe OP would ban her DH from working or being friends with me. Really, the Catholic Church was built on lies, scandal, stealing, whore houses, and so on. If you are going to scandalize the Masons you need to be fair and look at the history of the Catholic Church. Inquisition? Crusades? Gays? Abortion?

Seriously. Glass houses, people.

If you could read, you would NOT have written what I highlighted.

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- OP

Thank goodness for the Masons! They keep the metric system down! They're slipping on holding back the electric car, though.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Google "Masons Catholic Church" if you would like to learn more about their beliefs, rituals, history, and intent.

It is true that Catholics cannot join, because it is an anti-Catholic institution.

I grew up Catholic and now I am an anti-Catholic household. Maybe OP would ban her DH from working or being friends with me. Really, the Catholic Church was built on lies, scandal, stealing, whore houses, and so on. If you are going to scandalize the Masons you need to be fair and look at the history of the Catholic Church. Inquisition? Crusades? Gays? Abortion?

Seriously. Glass houses, people.

That sounds rather reductionist, and misguided.

Have you ever read the Catechism? Perhaps, as an exercise of open-mindedness, you could read it one section at a time, and ask yourself if there is anything that you do not think is true, and if so, why not.

I attended Catholic school grades k-12, including catechism. I also know the history of the Catholic Church, the basis of the Catholic holidays (Sunday, Christmas, Easter), and how corrupt the Church has been through out history. There is no lack of open-mindedness about it.

Ok. But just out of curiosity, do you think the Church was wrong from the start? I mean, do you think there was no such man as Jesus, or there was, but he just died on a cross, and everything else was made up? And for all the good that the Church has done, was that all accidental, whereas the bad stuff was deliberate, a conspiracy?

What about early Church history, with the persecution and the martyrs? Were all those people just fools who fell for a cult?

Because you're right--the Church is either true or false. You believe it is false. Where did its falseness begin?

[code]The boy quit the Demolay thing and the dad got pretty upset. Once dad converted he understood the son's POV and agreed that some practices clashed with their new belief. We tried asking why but he never explained. I didn't feel it was my place to ask again.

Some "churches" do not permit their members to drink, dance or play cards. Just because a church establishes a rule for its members doesn't mean that it is a universal truth.