Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 16:59     Subject: Re:What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:Sad. I wonder where the baby's father is?


He's been right by mom's side through the whole thing. He was working a night shift (verified alibi) the night of her disappearance so is not a suspect.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 16:54     Subject: Re:What happened to Baby Lisa?
Sad. I wonder where the baby's father is?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 16:49     Subject: Re:What happened to Baby Lisa?
The drinking and hanging out on the porch could be her MO and it is a perfect invite for someone to come take your kid. Someone sees an opportunity and takes it.

I don't know if you remember the Danielle van Dam abuduction and murder in San Diego, but her Mom had been out partying that night, the Dad was home with the kids. Then she came home & smoked pot with Dad & some friends. They couldn't remember if the house alarm was set or if the side door was locked. They went through hell in the media for their life style choices. Luckily the police didn't solely focus on them and there was physical evidence in the neighbor's motor home. The story of course ended horribly and the parents did make bad choices, but they did not kill their daughter.

I don't think this case will ever be solved. There are many children abducted (likely killed) and the cases go unsolved for various reasons.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 16:36     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mom admitted today that she drank the better part of a box of wine that night. "At least 5 glasses probably." So the night you get so drunk you might not hear someone entering your home is THE VERY NIGHT A STRANGER ENTERED YOUR HOME AND STOLE YOUR BABY? And this was also coincidentally the same night your husband was working a night shift? YOU DON'T SAY!

The mom has something to do with it. It will out.


that might be true if she rarely got drunk, but what if she got drunk several times a week? It's not so coincidental that on a night she's drunk, something happened to her baby. Does anyone know if the husband works night shifts often? maybe that's her M-O - when hubby works nights, I get bombed on the front porch with neighbor. Could be happening a lot.


Could be. It's just asking a lot for people to believe that one of the rarest types of child abduction (by a stranger, from the home) occurred when she was so drunk on boxed wine she can't remember even going inside that night or whether she turned off lights or left doors open. I don't know what exactly her involvement was, but there's something not adding up about this story and this family.

You could be right about her drinking with the neighbor a lot, though. The article I read mentioned that she said she put the baby down at 6:40 that evening and only checked on her once. 6:40 is pretty early for a child to be going to bed for the night. The one time she was checked on the mother said she was standing in her crib, i.e., not sleeping. Sounds like the mom might have been in the habit of putting the baby in the bed for the night early in the evening so she could drink while the dad was at work.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 16:24     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:Mom admitted today that she drank the better part of a box of wine that night. "At least 5 glasses probably." So the night you get so drunk you might not hear someone entering your home is THE VERY NIGHT A STRANGER ENTERED YOUR HOME AND STOLE YOUR BABY? And this was also coincidentally the same night your husband was working a night shift? YOU DON'T SAY!

The mom has something to do with it. It will out.


that might be true if she rarely got drunk, but what if she got drunk several times a week? It's not so coincidental that on a night she's drunk, something happened to her baby. Does anyone know if the husband works night shifts often? maybe that's her M-O - when hubby works nights, I get bombed on the front porch with neighbor. Could be happening a lot.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 15:58     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Like the case with the Germantown boy - I really hope that Lisa is alive and will be found but it's looking less and less likely.

It's possible the mom had something to do with it. Or the dad. Anything is possible. And it was irresponsible for her to get drunk when she was home alone with her children. That doesn't necessarily make her a killer or mean that she did it though.

That said - I don't think that it is evil and irresponsible to drink when there are children present as long as you don't get drunk. Know your limits, and don't push them.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 15:51     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Mom admitted today that she drank the better part of a box of wine that night. "At least 5 glasses probably." So the night you get so drunk you might not hear someone entering your home is THE VERY NIGHT A STRANGER ENTERED YOUR HOME AND STOLE YOUR BABY? And this was also coincidentally the same night your husband was working a night shift? YOU DON'T SAY!

The mom has something to do with it. It will out.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 15:34     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:Can everyone stop arguing with the teetotaler. It's obvious that she's one of those out of control foreigns who crawled out of her shit-pit of a "home country" so she could come here and be a massive bitch to all Americans.

Welcome to the country ma'am, I'll raise a glass on your honor tonight.


And you're what? Yup, a stupid xenophobic. And there's no generalization there...
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:55     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


I disagree. It's fine to have one glass of wine while in charge of children. You need to be able to drive, of course, in case an emergency arises, so if you can't drive safely on one glass of wine, don't have it. Otherwise, one glass of wine or one beer is fine. Now that all my children sleep through the night, I am much more capable of taking care of them on one glass of wine than I was stone-cold sober and deliriously sleep-deprived with a baby.


I know, right? Sleep deprivation affects me much worse than a glass of wine - by the "one sip = negligence" rule, it seems that you have no option but to sleep train super early - what if something happens to your newborn, and you only slept for two hours the night before?


You won't go to jail if your child gets hurt and you're sleep deprived. Now, if you're drunk and you hurt them you'll definitely pay for it.


I don't care about jail; I care about my children being safe. I couldn't do much about the sleep deprivation at the time but it did scare me. I drove with them in the car only when I really needed to.

Now, I can do something about whether or not to have the one glass of wine and I have it. I'm not drunk. They don't get hurt.

I have to wonder if the one person who is really objecting to any alcohol doesn't drink. If you don't have at least one drink once a week or so, you might have this unrealistic view about what happens when others have one drink.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:54     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Can everyone stop arguing with the teetotaler. It's obvious that she's one of those out of control foreigns who crawled out of her shit-pit of a "home country" so she could come here and be a massive bitch to all Americans.

Welcome to the country ma'am, I'll raise a glass on your honor tonight.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:49     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
The family sounds like a mess. The parents are not married. The mom is married to someone else. What's this I am hearing about domestic violence too?

On the alcohol note, I can see drinking too much wine on the porch with the neighbor once you think the baby is down for the night. Not OK but plausible. Does not make her a murderer.

Plus she is a big lady. Don't know about you but I can drink a LOT of wine and still be in command of myself. Plus if she was that shitfaced, how could she be clever enough to hide the body?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:45     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.

I come from a place where the tolerance for alcohol is zero so you cannot drive, operate machinery or go to work if you had what you call "just one glass" why would I want to jeopardize the safety of my family for that little pleasure? My peace of mind is more valuable than that sip of alcohol. And I'm sorry if I sounded so judgmental but we know what drunk people sound like when they try to make excuses, there's no need to pretend anything here. We're all anonymous anyway.


You seem to just simply be missing a crucial point here. Drinking a glass of wine is not going to affect your sobriety at all. Drinking one sip of alcohol certainly won't affect your ability either.

You just seem like a crazy anti-alcohol person. Personally, I can have a glass of wine with dinner and take perfect care of my kids. Nobody is saying you should get drunk and watch children, but you do realize that drinking one sip of wine or even one glass doesn't make a person incapcitated in any way...right?


It might not affect you, but this is not true for everybody. That's why there are laws telling people to not drink and drive, because someone out there has no common sense on what's OK and what's not.

I prefer not to drink and my DH agrees with me. If being under the influence doesn't affect you, good for you. I'd rather not take a chance with my children.


But it's not illegal to have one glass and drive. I don't do it personally but it isn't illegal.


Did you miss the part about common sense? A lot of experts agree that the limit in the US is very forgiving and the reason for so many accidents. Even if you're under the limit you might be impaired.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:44     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


I disagree. It's fine to have one glass of wine while in charge of children. You need to be able to drive, of course, in case an emergency arises, so if you can't drive safely on one glass of wine, don't have it. Otherwise, one glass of wine or one beer is fine. Now that all my children sleep through the night, I am much more capable of taking care of them on one glass of wine than I was stone-cold sober and deliriously sleep-deprived with a baby.


I know, right? Sleep deprivation affects me much worse than a glass of wine - by the "one sip = negligence" rule, it seems that you have no option but to sleep train super early - what if something happens to your newborn, and you only slept for two hours the night before?


You won't go to jail if your child gets hurt and you're sleep deprived. Now, if you're drunk and you hurt them you'll definitely pay for it.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:41     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


I disagree. It's fine to have one glass of wine while in charge of children. You need to be able to drive, of course, in case an emergency arises, so if you can't drive safely on one glass of wine, don't have it. Otherwise, one glass of wine or one beer is fine. Now that all my children sleep through the night, I am much more capable of taking care of them on one glass of wine than I was stone-cold sober and deliriously sleep-deprived with a baby.


I know, right? Sleep deprivation affects me much worse than a glass of wine - by the "one sip = negligence" rule, it seems that you have no option but to sleep train super early - what if something happens to your newborn, and you only slept for two hours the night before?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:37     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.

I come from a place where the tolerance for alcohol is zero so you cannot drive, operate machinery or go to work if you had what you call "just one glass" why would I want to jeopardize the safety of my family for that little pleasure? My peace of mind is more valuable than that sip of alcohol. And I'm sorry if I sounded so judgmental but we know what drunk people sound like when they try to make excuses, there's no need to pretend anything here. We're all anonymous anyway.


You seem to just simply be missing a crucial point here. Drinking a glass of wine is not going to affect your sobriety at all. Drinking one sip of alcohol certainly won't affect your ability either.

You just seem like a crazy anti-alcohol person. Personally, I can have a glass of wine with dinner and take perfect care of my kids. Nobody is saying you should get drunk and watch children, but you do realize that drinking one sip of wine or even one glass doesn't make a person incapcitated in any way...right?


It might not affect you, but this is not true for everybody. That's why there are laws telling people to not drink and drive, because someone out there has no common sense on what's OK and what's not.

I prefer not to drink and my DH agrees with me. If being under the influence doesn't affect you, good for you. I'd rather not take a chance with my children.


But it's not illegal to have one glass and drive. I don't do it personally but it isn't illegal.