Anonymous wrote:$6M HHI and we generally don't fly business class. We have kids though.

Our philosophy is this -- we don't want business class to feel normal - because then economy feels like deprivation. In our eyes, this is horrible to inflict on kids -- what does this mean for them when they are grown adults, have their own careers, and can't stomach paying for economy?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
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That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)

Hey thanks for the spiel. I am the PP with UHNW who booked economy for ourselves and our adult children. You inspired me to take a look at our outgoing seats to Rome. I certainly was being cheap and at the time of booking, I didn't even want to spend the extra $200 to get preferential location, so our seats were three rows from the back near the bathrooms. Upon further reflection, I decided to splurge using points to upgrade to a better spot. Thanks DCUM! FWIW, upgrading to business would have cost $6K per person and to premium would have caust $700 per person. Nope!

Rome is for the masses now like many big cities in Europe. Have fun jostling around thousands of tourists. No thanks. You have to think out of the box when it comes to vacationing in Europe and certainly not in the summer. In the meantime, we’re heading to the Seychelles for a month. Life is good.

Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
together)

That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)

Hey thanks for the spiel. I am the PP with UHNW who booked economy for ourselves and our adult children. You inspired me to take a look at our outgoing seats to Rome. I certainly was being cheap and at the time of booking, I didn't even want to spend the extra $200 to get preferential location, so our seats were three rows from the back near the bathrooms. Upon further reflection, I decided to splurge using points to upgrade to a better spot. Thanks DCUM! FWIW, upgrading to business would have cost $6K per person and to premium would have caust $700 per person. Nope!

If you’re actually UHNW and worth $30M plus you should realize that $700 pp is probably less than your daily portfolio gains.

we are more than twice that, but dh will not splurge on business for our college kids

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t change our lifestyle but does give peace of mind for retirement and any emergency that could come up. Also we can afford any college for our kids.

This is us. We still do not travel first class...though we could. I still shop sales at the grocery store. How else do you menu plan???

Why would you need to shop sales to menu plan? I just make what I want to make.

Pretty sure that PP was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. But I often plan meal prep around what is on sale in the weekly Harris Teeter circular, and purposely buy what is on sale. And I could buy everything in the store if I wanted to. Why do I do this? Because I feel like it. We eat really well, we aren't wanting for anything because I buy things when they are on sale. I learned this kind of frugality from grandparents who had more money than God, but didn't waste it. Midwestern values, and all that. How I grocery shop is about values, not just access to money. It's just how I was brought up to do things.

Frugality isn't a value. It's either a necessity or a character trait.

Said the fool with new money.

You need to get out more. It most certainly is a value, especially in parts of the Midwest and New England.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
together)

That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)

Hey thanks for the spiel. I am the PP with UHNW who booked economy for ourselves and our adult children. You inspired me to take a look at our outgoing seats to Rome. I certainly was being cheap and at the time of booking, I didn't even want to spend the extra $200 to get preferential location, so our seats were three rows from the back near the bathrooms. Upon further reflection, I decided to splurge using points to upgrade to a better spot. Thanks DCUM! FWIW, upgrading to business would have cost $6K per person and to premium would have caust $700 per person. Nope!

Anonymous wrote:I was fortunate because even though I grew up poor my family always had a lot of class. Therefore I learned early that money doesn’t give you class; it’s just a tool to make life easier. So the biggest change is that I no longer have to be aware of every cent— I can buy the nice pens, let my children use up all the paints on a project, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
together)

That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)

Hey thanks for the spiel. I am the PP with UHNW who booked economy for ourselves and our adult children. You inspired me to take a look at our outgoing seats to Rome. I certainly was being cheap and at the time of booking, I didn't even want to spend the extra $200 to get preferential location, so our seats were three rows from the back near the bathrooms. Upon further reflection, I decided to splurge using points to upgrade to a better spot. Thanks DCUM! FWIW, upgrading to business would have cost $6K per person and to premium would have caust $700 per person. Nope!

If you’re actually UHNW and worth $30M plus you should realize that $700 pp is probably less than your daily portfolio gains.

Anonymous wrote:Define "rich."

I was trailer trash growing up and became a Biglaw equity partner. Am I "rich?"

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Anonymous wrote:We didn't become rich over night so we have grown into it. We maintain many of the habits of our MC life such as being frugal on many things but we travel first class and live very comfortably. We have lived in the same town for 30 years and we have maintained many of our early relationships though most of our friends have done quite well themselves. Also, all of my husbands siblings have done very well so there is no sibling resentment.

I wish I could spring for first class...I just can't get myself to spend the money. And we can afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
together)

That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)

Hey thanks for the spiel. I am the PP with UHNW who booked economy for ourselves and our adult children. You inspired me to take a look at our outgoing seats to Rome. I certainly was being cheap and at the time of booking, I didn't even want to spend the extra $200 to get preferential location, so our seats were three rows from the back near the bathrooms. Upon further reflection, I decided to splurge using points to upgrade to a better spot. Thanks DCUM! FWIW, upgrading to business would have cost $6K per person and to premium would have caust $700 per person. Nope!

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Anonymous wrote:We’re flying to Australia in economy. We can afford the business tickets, but I just cannot justify it for a family of 5. I think it would have been about 15k more.

I’m also not ready for my kids to get used to business lol. I have a feeling we’re all going to be regretting it.

So if your kids are old enough to sit together without you, put them in economy and you go business. We have done that since the kids were old enough to manage (8 and 12 sitting
together)

That doesn't send a very good message in my opinion. I am the PP who is traveling to Europe with adult kids and we intentionally bought economy so we could sit together. Starting the trip off separated like that just seems selfish on our part and creates the wrong tone. We will all suffer together!! We are staying in some pretty decent hotels though! That is one area I do not like to be cheap about. And I don't like AirBnB unless we are staying somewhere long term (more than just a few days).

I managed to sleep pretty solidly on my last trip to Europe in economy. Just took a Klonipin and I was out for a few hours and feeling rested upon arrival. No need for a larger seat for that!

I guess you you. Not sure why it sends a bad message to let teens sit in economy (or economy plus) while the parents who earned the money sit in business.

Once my kids earn their own money they can have the luxuries. I was 29 before I went to Europe...they first went at 8 and 12. I'd say they should consider themselves lucky.
And yes my teens and now 20 something's are just fine with their seats. One is on a college grad trip with friends. Everyone else is in economy (not even economy plus). My kid and one friend are in premium select. That reminds them how lucky they are. And everyone in economy has never been to Europe before (or only once if they studied abroad in college). Whereas my kid has been 8 times previously. And if they didn't appreciate it (and complained about premium select or economy plus I'd put them back in economy)