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Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

lol...sure. Your dad's children is you by this fairy tale you spun. Check your troll writing first before you spout nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not against maintaining high standards for everyone and we SHOULD, but using the claim that American students are inferior as justification is simply wrong.

The top American students are among the most competitive in the world.

There's not enough of them.

How so, there are enough layoff to pick from as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

You blame the curriculum when the actual issue is with the White families who do not prioritize a STEM education for their kids. Asian kids going through the same curriculum are doing alright. The issue is with White parents.

Asians lag in success after college though. They lag in LSAT performance as well.

What makes you say that?

LSAT scores
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackLawAdmissions/comments/1eppiz8/lsat_percentiles_by_race/
https://www.lsac.org/sites/default/files/research/TR-26-01.pdf

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cba/annual-earnings

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

You blame the curriculum when the actual issue is with the White families who do not prioritize a STEM education for their kids. Asian kids going through the same curriculum are doing alright. The issue is with White parents.

It's not that they don't emphasize STEM. They don't have to emphasize STEM. They don't emphasize rigor.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not against maintaining high standards for everyone and we SHOULD, but using the claim that American students are inferior as justification is simply wrong.

The top American students are among the most competitive in the world.

There's not enough of them.

Anonymous wrote:We put our kids in Jesuit high schools - left public. They are equally as strong in STEM and English, humanities, and languages.

We are doing something similar to school ours. We found an unheralded elementary school with a solid STEM curriculum and also a solid curriculum in English, History, and Languages. Printed textbooks and printed worksheets in all academic classes. Both print and cursive handwriting. Low screen use - once weekly for 45 minutes in the computer/ typing class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

You blame the curriculum when the actual issue is with the White families who do not prioritize a STEM education for their kids. Asian kids going through the same curriculum are doing alright. The issue is with White parents.

Asians lag in success after college though. They lag in LSAT performance as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

You blame the curriculum when the actual issue is with the White families who do not prioritize a STEM education for their kids. Asian kids going through the same curriculum are doing alright. The issue is with White parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a female STEM major in the late 80s-early 90s. Not very common.

In our school district it’s been nothing but STEM since my firstborn (2005). Writing fell to the wayside. Reading is down due to iPhone/social media usage. Schools aren’t even requiring full novels to be read. Most exams are multiple choice only on a laptop.

We put our kids in Jesuit high schools - left public. They are equally as strong in STEM and English/humanities/languages. I am such a huge proponent of a true liberal arts education. Look at these big tech billionaires with zero ethics or empathy. A lot of that is STEM only focus.

Most kids were told STEM is the only employable field and everyone got the memo and that’s the field (and finance) everyone is headed for. It’s saturated.

Without knowledge of other cultures, religions, history, literature we get the dystopian world we are currently living in.

Me too! I yearn for a world where we used to have high child mortality, low life expectancy, low literacy, high poverty, and lots of everyday violence.

You know, the good old days!

Yes. That’s what Trump and RFK JR are handing to you—the 1800s.

You can’t see the forest for the trees. An organic chemist, a microbiologist, a geneticist are all part of a liberal arts education at top colleges.

They are intertwined.
Signed, a molecular biologist with a liberal arts undergrad whi applied much of that liberal arts education in the work I do today (philosophy, history, writing, analyzing)

Liberal arts education is not the issue. The issue is useless arts majors, gender studies majors and other useless majors.

Less than 1% of majors are the issue? What a lazy argument.

For background, I am right wing. The "gender studies" canard is what the right wing uses as an example, to try and convince the Rubes in the Republican party to discount education. Of course there are barely any "gender studies" majors, but that's not the point.

They say "oh the ivy league is a bunch of gender studies losers", and then slobber over Ted Cruz or John Kennedy (Louisiana) because they have ivy league or equivalent degrees. It is ignorant, and a major reason why they have failed as a party. When my kid was getting ready to go to an Ivy, some of the local boomer cons would make comments. "I would rather my grandson go to trade school" . Well, good. Let them go to trade school (nothing wrong with that).

But if you have a smart kid, and you are talking about gender studies as a reason to not have them enter the crucible and defend their positions and compete intellectually with the brightest kids, and maybe even evolve on some positions...then you are a loser. It's the main reason that the right wing in this country are losers.

The humanities are important, and STEM is important. That's why you need good scores in all of your high school classes to be admitted, not just one or the other.

Sorry for the tangent, but as a quick and final note: The percentage of students who are right wing at the ivies ranges from a low of about 15% at Brown to 50/50 at Cornell. Princeton is about 35% and even the "liberal" Columbia has about 25%. Columbia also has more students who attend weekly religious services than most state schools in the south. That is all from the FIRE survey of students.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a female STEM major in the late 80s-early 90s. Not very common.

In our school district it’s been nothing but STEM since my firstborn (2005). Writing fell to the wayside. Reading is down due to iPhone/social media usage. Schools aren’t even requiring full novels to be read. Most exams are multiple choice only on a laptop.

We put our kids in Jesuit high schools - left public. They are equally as strong in STEM and English/humanities/languages. I am such a huge proponent of a true liberal arts education. Look at these big tech billionaires with zero ethics or empathy. A lot of that is STEM only focus.

Most kids were told STEM is the only employable field and everyone got the memo and that’s the field (and finance) everyone is headed for. It’s saturated.

Without knowledge of other cultures, religions, history, literature we get the dystopian world we are currently living in.

Me too! I yearn for a world where we used to have high child mortality, low life expectancy, low literacy, high poverty, and lots of everyday violence.

You know, the good old days!

Yes. That’s what Trump and RFK JR are handing to you—the 1800s.

You can’t see the forest for the trees. An organic chemist, a microbiologist, a geneticist are all part of a liberal arts education at top colleges.

They are intertwined.
Signed, a molecular biologist with a liberal arts undergrad whi applied much of that liberal arts education in the work I do today (philosophy, history, writing, analyzing)

Liberal arts education is not the issue. The issue is useless arts majors, gender studies majors and other useless majors.

Less than 1% of majors are the issue? What a lazy argument.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a female STEM major in the late 80s-early 90s. Not very common.

In our school district it’s been nothing but STEM since my firstborn (2005). Writing fell to the wayside. Reading is down due to iPhone/social media usage. Schools aren’t even requiring full novels to be read. Most exams are multiple choice only on a laptop.

We put our kids in Jesuit high schools - left public. They are equally as strong in STEM and English/humanities/languages. I am such a huge proponent of a true liberal arts education. Look at these big tech billionaires with zero ethics or empathy. A lot of that is STEM only focus.

Most kids were told STEM is the only employable field and everyone got the memo and that’s the field (and finance) everyone is headed for. It’s saturated.

Without knowledge of other cultures, religions, history, literature we get the dystopian world we are currently living in.

Me too! I yearn for a world where we used to have high child mortality, low life expectancy, low literacy, high poverty, and lots of everyday violence.

You know, the good old days!

Yes. That’s what Trump and RFK JR are handing to you—the 1800s.

You can’t see the forest for the trees. An organic chemist, a microbiologist, a geneticist are all part of a liberal arts education at top colleges.

They are intertwined.
Signed, a molecular biologist with a liberal arts undergrad whi applied much of that liberal arts education in the work I do today (philosophy, history, writing, analyzing)

Liberal arts education is not the issue. The issue is useless arts majors, gender studies majors and other useless majors.

At each of the Ivie, less than 20 gender studies majors were conferred degrees. It's just a meme. The are practically no gender studies majors in the United States.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a female STEM major in the late 80s-early 90s. Not very common.

In our school district it’s been nothing but STEM since my firstborn (2005). Writing fell to the wayside. Reading is down due to iPhone/social media usage. Schools aren’t even requiring full novels to be read. Most exams are multiple choice only on a laptop.

We put our kids in Jesuit high schools - left public. They are equally as strong in STEM and English/humanities/languages. I am such a huge proponent of a true liberal arts education. Look at these big tech billionaires with zero ethics or empathy. A lot of that is STEM only focus.

Most kids were told STEM is the only employable field and everyone got the memo and that’s the field (and finance) everyone is headed for. It’s saturated.

Without knowledge of other cultures, religions, history, literature we get the dystopian world we are currently living in.

Me too! I yearn for a world where we used to have high child mortality, low life expectancy, low literacy, high poverty, and lots of everyday violence.

You know, the good old days!

Yes. That’s what Trump and RFK JR are handing to you—the 1800s.

You can’t see the forest for the trees. An organic chemist, a microbiologist, a geneticist are all part of a liberal arts education at top colleges.

They are intertwined.
Signed, a molecular biologist with a liberal arts undergrad whi applied much of that liberal arts education in the work I do today (philosophy, history, writing, analyzing)

Liberal arts education is not the issue. The issue is useless arts majors, gender studies majors and other useless majors.

I’m not against maintaining high standards for everyone and we SHOULD, but using the claim that American students are inferior as justification is simply wrong.

The top American students are among the most competitive in the world.

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

My dad is a Physics Phd who supervised and befriended many immigrant PhD students at several major U.S. universities. Their performance in the workplace and their children's academic performance exceeds his own children's and grandchildren's performance.

I feel that weak US K-12 education is definitely implicated in holding US kids back. It starts with poor methods/poor curriculum. That encourages disinterest.

That said, no question that the US attracts many of the best and brightest from abroad. And the top 1% of very large populations is large in proportion to the number of born-here people.

It's not all about driving wages down.

Anonymous wrote:With AI advancing rapidly, the U.S. should focus on developing and supporting highly/truly qualified American STEM students.

I disagree with the idea that American STEM talent is inferior or that the solution is simply to rely more heavily on international hiring. The top students are pretty capable. In many cases, outsourcing and contractor-heavy models are primarily used to suppress compensation.

American STEM talent is still superior but the supply is inadequate. We need to expect more out of our K-12 education process than we currently do. I would like to see the H1b program collapse completely. Not because I have anything against immigrants, my spouse is one but rather because we are meeting the quality and supply needs domestically.