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Anonymous wrote:Because otherwise white people would ask how many Asians would be enough? 50%? 100%?

When 100% of people receiving a state-sponsored benefit come from a visible minority that makes up under 20% of the state population, you should probably anticipate political difficulties.

OTOH, you know who is bright and prepared for college. 1000%
These are not families who value studying and education. Why do we make that to be such a bag thing.

p.s.
State-sponsored benefit, lol! Many people live off of all kinds of state-sponsored benefits. Some, in higher ed, some not.

What’s strange is that our education system is far more expensive, both public and private.

Anonymous wrote:It ain't just math. I have friends who are college professors and they say that so many kids get to college and still cannot write -- from the STEM stars to the run-of-the-mill students.

Freshman English classes are mainly about getting students' writing skills up to a minimum baseline. Another skill that kids should be learning before they are allowed to graduate from high school.

I’m curious how this compares outside the U.S. I’m not sure whether it’s due to K–12 education, social media, or a combination of both, but these issues don’t seem as prominent in Europe.

It ain't just math. I have friends who are college professors and they say that so many kids get to college and still cannot write -- from the STEM stars to the run-of-the-mill students.

Freshman English classes are mainly about getting students' writing skills up to a minimum baseline. Another skill that kids should be learning before they are allowed to graduate from high school.

Anonymous wrote:The reputational hit to the UC's will be generational.

UCSD really admitted students who could not do middle school math? I understand that it is not the most prestigious college in the UC system but that it is appalling.

Same feeling, especially when UCSD is good at CS, Engineering, etc. I guess either they are the quotes they have to take from CC or FGLI etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Communism does not work.

Neither does capitalism.

That wasn’t the case back when honesty and merit actually mattered.

Anonymous wrote:This post highlights something people often overlook: attending a top university doesn’t automatically mean every student there is exceptionally “smart.” Many elite private schools, like WashU, are actively working to increase socioeconomic diversity by expanding financial aid and access for underrepresented students.

Policies like test-optional admissions can also shift the applicant pool in ways that favor disadvantaged students. That’s not inherently a bad thing—it broadens opportunity—but it does show how admissions strategies evolve in response to external pressures.

Colleges are also highly responsive to ranking systems. If metrics such as socioeconomic or racial diversity are weighted more heavily, schools will adjust their admissions criteria to improve their standing. At the end of the day, institutions operate with many of the same incentives as businesses: they adapt their strategies to strengthen their position, reputation, and outcomes.

In short, it is less about students or education

This post highlights something people often overlook: attending a top university doesn’t automatically mean every student there is exceptionally “smart.” Many elite private schools, like WashU, are actively working to increase socioeconomic diversity by expanding financial aid and access for underrepresented students.

Policies like test-optional admissions can also shift the applicant pool in ways that favor disadvantaged students. That’s not inherently a bad thing—it broadens opportunity—but it does show how admissions strategies evolve in response to external pressures.

Colleges are also highly responsive to ranking systems. If metrics such as socioeconomic or racial diversity are weighted more heavily, schools will adjust their admissions criteria to improve their standing. At the end of the day, institutions operate with many of the same incentives as businesses: they adapt their strategies to strengthen their position, reputation, and outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is directly related to the earlier post about top tier privates. The reason "middling" kids get in to top colleges from these schools is that colleges know that they are prepared. Many public schools are a different story.

This.

My kid had a nearly 100% average in math in mcps middle school.

His private high school placement test had him repeat algebra freshman year…and we quickly got him a tutor to help him keep up.

Long story short: mcps math is a joke.

Long story short is that you’re a grossly negligent parent

dp.. how so? Is it not the school's responsibility to make sure the kid knows the content? Or is school just supposed to be a babysitter, and the parent is supposed to teach them at home?

-MCPS parent

You’re a parent and don’t think to keep tabs with how your kid is doing, what they’re learning, and supporting them? This is your fault.

The kid is getting As/Bs, and the teacher has not indicated that the kid has any learning issues. Is the parent supposed to give the kid an exam at home to make sure they know the content?

+1

Parents should be involved in their kids’ education, but also they should be able to trust their school to not lie to them about their educational progress.

Anonymous wrote:Communism does not work.

Neither does capitalism.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue. There are kids at all colleges who need remedial help - even the elite ones. If they're getting the help they need, then what is the problem? Oh, that they took spots from kids who had good math instruction in high school?

Who would help them after graduation? Governments? Tax Payers? AI? Why would employers hire them?

Almost all grads need help after graduation…? You never got any training for your first job? If your entire existence has been sink or swim, you’re worked some shit jobs.

Similar to our economy. The intelligence is going K shape as well.

Yes and you’re delusional if you believe intelligent people never need help. Unlike you, who lacks empathy, I can easily see someone being a fairly intelligent person but not being privileged, so they may need a little extra remediation before going into their field of choice or finishing their degree. Not everyone was raised upper middle class.

As long as it is not waste of tax payers dollars

Stop funding wars then we’ll start talking about what is a waste of tax payers money.
We have terrible healthcare system and chose to keep a bad one cause we aren’t “socialist,” while paying more for less.
An education system with a school to prison pipeline is incredibly costly for society, yet we maintain that.
Funding a remedial course so a student can get a degree and contribute back to their community? Least of my concerns and should be yours too if wasteful spending is the issue.

Communism does not work.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue. There are kids at all colleges who need remedial help - even the elite ones. If they're getting the help they need, then what is the problem? Oh, that they took spots from kids who had good math instruction in high school?

Who would help them after graduation? Governments? Tax Payers? AI? Why would employers hire them?

Almost all grads need help after graduation…? You never got any training for your first job? If your entire existence has been sink or swim, you’re worked some shit jobs.

Similar to our economy. The intelligence is going K shape as well.

Yes and you’re delusional if you believe intelligent people never need help. Unlike you, who lacks empathy, I can easily see someone being a fairly intelligent person but not being privileged, so they may need a little extra remediation before going into their field of choice or finishing their degree. Not everyone was raised upper middle class.

As long as it is not waste of tax payers dollars

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue. There are kids at all colleges who need remedial help - even the elite ones. If they're getting the help they need, then what is the problem? Oh, that they took spots from kids who had good math instruction in high school?

Who would help them after graduation? Governments? Tax Payers? AI? Why would employers hire them?

Almost all grads need help after graduation…? You never got any training for your first job? If your entire existence has been sink or swim, you’re worked some shit jobs.

Similar to our economy. The intelligence is going K shape as well.

Yes and you’re delusional if you believe intelligent people never need help. Unlike you, who lacks empathy, I can easily see someone being a fairly intelligent person but not being privileged, so they may need a little extra remediation before going into their field of choice or finishing their degree. Not everyone was raised upper middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue. There are kids at all colleges who need remedial help - even the elite ones. If they're getting the help they need, then what is the problem? Oh, that they took spots from kids who had good math instruction in high school?

Who would help them after graduation? Governments? Tax Payers? AI? Why would employers hire them?

Typically they get hired in fields that don’t need the remedial skills. Eg, Supreme Court litigator who doesn’t need calculus. Surgeon who doesn’t need to be able to write literary analysis. Investment banker who only speaks English.

Elite schools want to produce students who reach a minimum threshold in all areas while also enrolling “spiky” students who are superstars in one area. So, they need to provide remediation in the weaker areas.