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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.

Yikes 145? I’m sure most of the AAP students would only get a 130-135 if tested. What are they looking for? A prodigy?!

That PP has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. We appealed w 132 WISC (private, not GMU) and excellent work samples to counter any testing or HOPE “weaknesses.” DC got in on appeal at a high-scoring center.

couple Asian families that I know with 130s WISC scores did not get in on appeals. But the families that got 145 or higher got in. My older boy got in with 154 WISC.

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.

Yikes 145? I’m sure most of the AAP students would only get a 130-135 if tested. What are they looking for? A prodigy?!

That PP has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. We appealed w 132 WISC (private, not GMU) and excellent work samples to counter any testing or HOPE “weaknesses.” DC got in on appeal at a high-scoring center.

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.

Yikes 145? I’m sure most of the AAP students would only get a 130-135 if tested. What are they looking for? A prodigy?!

5th grade finally in after all previous rejections. Last year saw the hope scores - basically zero. Nice that the teachers thought he was a psychopath! My kid doesn’t like school and is often bored but is not disruptive. He reads quietly.

2nd grader in too - she’s magnetic and talkative and easily won a great teacher reference.

Both had wisc scores done at request of school. My 5th grader the language arts teacher was baffled that he wasn’t in aap already. It all boils down to whether the teacher likes the student, which is just silly. Same happened with my now 9th grader with all As this year at TJ. He has anxiety and didn’t talk in class in 6th grade when we moved here. He took the cogat and got a 149 and was rejected.

I think the thing that helped was talking directly with the teachers about it at initial PT conference. I did not submit the questionnaire or work samples this time. I also suspect that our AAP teacher has had a lot more contact with him bc of the pullout class (he’s been in advanced math the past 2 years) and this has likely helped.

Our center school is our home school and DC was principal placed in 4th grade full time AAP this year with a few other kids. DC pretty much has all 4s and is thriving. However, we still had to apply if DC wanted to stay there for 5th grade.

Not in.

I just have to laugh at this point.

A little birdie with insider knowledge let it slip that the selection committee is far more sophisticated than most parents give them credit for. It seems they’ve developed a quiet but effective method of identifying students who were coached through the process by cross-referencing standardized test scores against in-school work submissions and academic records.

A significant discrepancy between the two tells its own story. When a child’s classroom performance and their test results simply don’t align, the committee notices. And when they notice, they already know.

So all that expensive test prep, the tutors, the prep books, the weekend drilling sessions? The committee has seen it all before. They’ve learned to read between the lines and apparently, they’ve gotten quite good at it.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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Anonymous wrote:Also looking at other test results. We had higher scores than most mentioned and still didn’t get in. Why is that I wonder? :/

Bc it’s a holistic process and scores are only part of the equation. Also, your child is being compared to others at their own local school. At our highly competitive center school, scores are much higher than other elementary schools in FCPS (in-pool 140+ compared to 130s elsewhere). Lots of prepping and extra enrichment happening. Many students scoring 98/99% at our elementary weren’t admitted to AAP.

And someday these non aap kids will be getting 100%s in honors classes and wondering why they are in a school system that doesn't believe in them.
But, maybe it will feel like vindication when they are rocking honors math classes and all the aap kids who struggle with math are in the same class as them and they can see how their strengths really measure up against the kids they've been segregated from all these years

Dang, who hurt you?

2nd grader
Ngat 135
In pool
MAP 199
Hope 3 often, 7 almost always
Eligible

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Anonymous wrote:Also looking at other test results. We had higher scores than most mentioned and still didn’t get in. Why is that I wonder? :/

Bc it’s a holistic process and scores are only part of the equation. Also, your child is being compared to others at their own local school. At our highly competitive center school, scores are much higher than other elementary schools in FCPS (in-pool 140+ compared to 130s elsewhere). Lots of prepping and extra enrichment happening. Many students scoring 98/99% at our elementary weren’t admitted to AAP.

And someday these non aap kids will be getting 100%s in honors classes and wondering why they are in a school system that doesn't believe in them.
But, maybe it will feel like vindication when they are rocking honors math classes and all the aap kids who struggle with math are in the same class as them and they can see how their strengths really measure up against the kids they've been segregated from all these years

Each year, the pool of candidates changes. The 2nd grade pool is strongest. In subsequent years the candidate pool is weaker, because the strongest candidates were admitted previously. The candidate is compared to all gen ed kids at that school/grade level, and the committee is looking for outliers. So kids will get in on the 3rd try because they’re being compared to a “weaker” overall group.

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.

For the kids rejected despite very high test scores on multiple exams , does a wisc matter? I’d assume the rejection was based on the non test factors and the wisc won’t change that?

it depends, the kids with very high test scores yet with low hope score (teachers don’t like them, or based on the teacher they don’t seems gifted or a trouble maker), score above 99.9 percentile on WISC shows the committee directly that the child is gifted regardless what the teacher thinks. Also with that type of WISC score (profoundly gifted) you can direct your appeal letter on your child’s emotional and social well being, they need to seek peers like themselves to bond, in general ed they often being seen as the outcast by their peers and teachers (general ed teachers see mildly gifted kids all the time, but profoundly gifted only few times in their teaching career), in the long run the profoundly gifted in that environment will suffer academically, emotionally, and socially.

I will say we got in this year (4th grade) after being ineligible the past two years and our test scores were high. We were in pool in 2nd and didn't get in. I'm now SUPER interested in her HOPE score because I think that is the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.

For the kids rejected despite very high test scores on multiple exams , does a wisc matter? I’d assume the rejection was based on the non test factors and the wisc won’t change that?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438

I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?

What pyramid are you in?

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

WISC below 140 usually doesn’t have any weight. If your child can get 145 or above it’s worth submitting. That’s 99.9%.