Anonymous wrote:IIRC, William and Mary is the most expensive in-state tuition public school in the country. Between tuition, room and board, and fees (especially the business school), we pay more in-state than we paid for our other son who was an engineer at Purdue (out of state).

These are extremes, but its a surprising extreme comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

Does not matter that it started as a sports league amongst select schools. People don't see it that way anymore except you.
Ivy is now a brand that attracts top students.

Ah, but only the chronically insecure view other non-Ivy League schools as public Ivies and little Ivies. Stop a random person at Wegmans and ask them to name a little Ivy. Let me know what they say. Ivies are very well defined. Pseudo-Ivies are not even remotely the same.

And now it includes Pitts.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

Does not matter that it started as a sports league amongst select schools. People don't see it that way anymore except you.
Ivy is now a brand that attracts top students.

Ah, but only the chronically insecure view other non-Ivy League schools as public Ivies and little Ivies. Stop a random person at Wegmans and ask them to name a little Ivy. Let me know what they say. Ivies are very well defined. Pseudo-Ivies are not even remotely the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I am independent college counselor and I am from New England.

The only other state that has an elite trio like Virginia's is California. But the UC schools, especially Berkeley, have a huge class availability issue. Berkeley's 4-year graduation rate is in the low 80s as opposed to UVA's low 90s. I am not arguing that the UCs aren't impressive, they absolutely are, just that Virginia is the clearly second and in some ways better for students.

The only other states with three strong state schools are Florida and North Carolina. But the third school in these states are University of Southern Florida and UNC Charlotte respectively, and these can't compare to Virginia Tech. Georgia, Michigan, Texas - none of them have a very strong third school.

To OP: come on, OP. You may not care about affordability but is it such a misery why others do?

Virginia has a good range of options, particularly given the state doesn't lavishly fund higher education.

I can't really think of another state that has an equivalent of William and Mary. There are others with similar size, but not on history and reputation. There are state schools like Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, and Georgia Tech that have much greater scale and range in engineering than UVA, but Virginia Tech does a good job of covering that and UVA isn't nearly as large as those schools, which may appeal to some students. Going beyond these three, VCU is top tier in art and design fields, and other schools have strengths in specific areas.

+1

My oldest is at Berkeley (we're in California), and my younger two wanted to avoid the downsides of going to a big school when they saw what her experience there was like. They wanted a mid-size school with excellent academics and undergraduate teaching, full of "nice kids". They're both very happy at William and Mary.

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Anonymous wrote:A degree from UVA is Ivy-league because UVA is one of the original Public Ivies.

Public Ivies offer the same standard of education as the Ivies, in a public school environment and at a public school cost. These schools are more than just non-Ivies — they're some of the best schools you can attend in the world today.

Just search "best public universities in USA" and you'll find UVA.

Ivy is an athletic league.

There are no public “Ivies.” There are no little “Ivies.” Use of these terms is a symptom of insecurity.

Does not matter that it started as a sports league amongst select schools. People don't see it that way anymore except you.
Ivy is now a brand that attracts top students.

Anonymous wrote:I own property in VA. Is that enough to get the in-state?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in DC and I see VA posters talk about these schools as if they're ivies. Why??? I understand that UVA has a certain mystique as it's VA's only "elite"-approaching school, but, frankly, UVA isn't even Georgetown, nevermind Stanford or Yale.

William and Mary is unique because of its size and also has some level of mystique but, again, I don't understand the commotion. It's essentially a public Wake Forest. Why?

Same story with VT. Even less of a reason to get into a twist because it's just like every other large public school in the nation. It has nice architecture, sure, but...so what?!

Can anyone enlighten me?

It’s all about the serpentine walls.

Anonymous wrote:I live in DC and I see VA posters talk about these schools as if they're ivies. Why??? I understand that UVA has a certain mystique as it's VA's only "elite"-approaching school, but, frankly, UVA isn't even Georgetown, nevermind Stanford or Yale.

William and Mary is unique because of its size and also has some level of mystique but, again, I don't understand the commotion. It's essentially a public Wake Forest. Why?

Same story with VT. Even less of a reason to get into a twist because it's just like every other large public school in the nation. It has nice architecture, sure, but...so what?!

Can anyone enlighten me?

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Anonymous wrote:Instate tuition for Virginians.

This!

Honestly. People are such idiots today. They want to waste everyone’s time here instead of doing a simple google:

UVA: $40,000 a year x 4 = $160,000
Privates; $100k (yes NYU has surpassed the mark and USC is $99,400) = $400,000

$400,000 - $160,000 =$240,000.00


That’s higher if, like most parents, you haven’t saved $240k so are paying in after-tax dollars, so let’s say $300,000 savings x 3 VA kids = $1.2 million in savings.

So, if your kid can get in, bank the difference, let it compound, then pay to grad school or down pain a house.

We did this and were able to send our kid to Oxford and now Stanford Law School

The last time you went through this song and dance, you claimed it was Yale Law. Please stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I am independent college counselor and I am from New England.

The only other state that has an elite trio like Virginia's is California. But the UC schools, especially Berkeley, have a huge class availability issue. Berkeley's 4-year graduation rate is in the low 80s as opposed to UVA's low 90s. I am not arguing that the UCs aren't impressive, they absolutely are, just that Virginia is the clearly second and in some ways better for students.

The only other states with three strong state schools are Florida and North Carolina. But the third school in these states are University of Southern Florida and UNC Charlotte respectively, and these can't compare to Virginia Tech. Georgia, Michigan, Texas - none of them have a very strong third school.

To OP: come on, OP. You may not care about affordability but is it such a misery why others do?

Virginia has a good range of options, particularly given the state doesn't lavishly fund higher education.

I can't really think of another state that has an equivalent of William and Mary. There are others with similar size, but not on history and reputation. There are state schools like Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, and Georgia Tech that have much greater scale and range in engineering than UVA, but Virginia Tech does a good job of covering that and UVA isn't nearly as large as those schools, which may appeal to some students. Going beyond these three, VCU is top tier in art and design fields, and other schools have strengths in specific areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Instate tuition for Virginians.

This!

Honestly. People are such idiots today. They want to waste everyone’s time here instead of doing a simple google:

UVA: $40,000 a year x 4 = $160,000
Privates; $100k (yes NYU has surpassed the mark and USC is $99,400) = $400,000

$400,000 - $160,000 =$240,000.00


That’s higher if, like most parents, you haven’t saved $240k so are paying in after-tax dollars, so let’s say $300,000 savings x 3 VA kids = $1.2 million in savings.

So, if your kid can get in, bank the difference, let it compound, then pay to grad school or down pain a house.

We did this and were able to send our kid to Oxford and now Stanford Law School

That's great. And also true of virtually every state school.
NoVa folks are, in general, extraordinarily brand-conscious stivers, so you get a lot of them telling you loudly and persistently how great ***their*** state school is so they can feel special.
UVA is, indeed, a great state school. But that's what it is and there are lots of other great state schools as well.