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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is difference we saw with our kids…one graduated from an avg well known but not elite flagship state U. (Still a t100) The other graduated from IE in Madrid….The state U kid had opportunities for jobs…but they were all local/regional smaller companies with zero chance to branch out to a bigger well known position in big US cities…. My IE kid had a world of opportunities in front of him. Interned in Switzerland and then Paris and had 3 job offers in 3 different countries and took the one back in the US. He is in NYC now.

Now you’re just making stuff up…

Ok. Go ahead and compare OU to IE…..

Are you talking about University of Oklahoma? Not top 100. I’m guessing there’s exactly zero overlap between high school students considering Oklahoma vs University of Madrid. Cost of attendance for in state is on Oklahoma side. Same if you’re looking into petroleum engineering where Oklahoma is #4.

You’re just making up stuff without even doing a basic research on the comparison.

Are you having reading comprehension issues….one kid graduated from OU the other from IE…..these are the only kids I have. You might not like it so that is the comparison I have. Oh my…..

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Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

Our state flagship was OU. Sorry….my kid is not going to OU

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

US privates and many European colleges are similar in overall size, class size, and faculty/student ratio.

US publics usually much larger overall, larger class sizes, and worse faculty/student ratio.

In addition, the group of candidates who would consider European (and UK) universities is more likely to overlap with the group of candidates who are considering private universities.

Kids planning on attending their state flagship (or a nearby / lower cost flagship) -- in general -- tend to have fewer resources and may have a more local mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

US privates and many European colleges are similar in overall size, class size, and faculty/student ratio.

US publics usually much larger overall, larger class sizes, and worse faculty/student ratio.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

+1

You couldn’t hack it to the state flagship, so you’re not too smart. You don’t have the money but still want the prestige. But mostly prestige that’s on sale so you get a good deal. Hence European universities.

This mostly isn’t the group applying to European universities. Usually there is some specific reason for doing so - dual citizenship, time spent abroad, parents did it previously and plant the seed, etc. Many would prefer a T25 but if they can’t get that, it’s much cheaper than shelling out $90k a year for a Tulane or Miami and more unique and different—with more choices—than going to flagship U.

Also, the other poster was incorrect that these schools are similar to US state universities. At the most popular ones, they are much more similar in size to private universities, or something in between private and flagship. For example, Bocconi and St Andrews both have a bit over 8k undergrads, Trinity College Dublin has 14k, IE which had been mentioned is only like 2500. There are some bigger ones like UCL or Edinburgh but the numbers drop pretty quickly. The best comparison is to probably compare it to some mix of OOS public and private, and European schools probably win that one on cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Are any on your kids interested in going to college in Europe or have any of your kids gone to college in Europe? If so how is it going/what were the applications like?
My son wants to go and he has a French citizenship so it would be WAY cheaper and probably good culturally.

If he has French citizenship, then he needs to speak with his French family, who would know. Why is mommy (or daddy) driving this? (And here I thought the helicopter/scaffolding/tiger parents were Asian….or are you Asian and the other parent is French?)

And you a fcuking non-Asian ass, poster of the above.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

+1

You couldn’t hack it to the state flagship, so you’re not too smart. You don’t have the money but still want the prestige. But mostly prestige that’s on sale so you get a good deal. Hence European universities.

Anonymous wrote:Kid graduated from Exeter….(sure not a random as PP said) and yet, got an amazing internship his last year in the US and is now fully employed at an Investment group in Chicago…..and yes….$150k extra in his pocket vs the US T75 private schools no merit he got accepted too….

Why do people compare European universities with American private ones? These are state schools, with similar costs, class size, teacher to student ratio etc.

I suppose you could have said you saved $150k by going to the state flagship, and everyone would understand cost was the primary concern.

I’m doubtful most European universities are a better deal than state flagships.

Anonymous wrote:How about comparing Fordham with IE? That seems more realistic

Let’s see, Fordham is in NYC with proximity and connections to major corporations, financial industry etc. It’s more expensive, but kids don’t choose Fordham to save money, that’s what state universities are for. Name recognition in US is hands down Fordham, it’s not even close.

How about comparing Fordham with IE? That seems more realistic

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is difference we saw with our kids…one graduated from an avg well known but not elite flagship state U. (Still a t100) The other graduated from IE in Madrid….The state U kid had opportunities for jobs…but they were all local/regional smaller companies with zero chance to branch out to a bigger well known position in big US cities…. My IE kid had a world of opportunities in front of him. Interned in Switzerland and then Paris and had 3 job offers in 3 different countries and took the one back in the US. He is in NYC now.

Now you’re just making stuff up…

Ok. Go ahead and compare OU to IE…..

Are you talking about University of Oklahoma? Not top 100. I’m guessing there’s exactly zero overlap between high school students considering Oklahoma vs University of Madrid. Cost of attendance for in state is on Oklahoma side. Same if you’re looking into petroleum engineering where Oklahoma is #4.

You’re just making up stuff without even doing a basic research on the comparison.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is difference we saw with our kids…one graduated from an avg well known but not elite flagship state U. (Still a t100) The other graduated from IE in Madrid….The state U kid had opportunities for jobs…but they were all local/regional smaller companies with zero chance to branch out to a bigger well known position in big US cities…. My IE kid had a world of opportunities in front of him. Interned in Switzerland and then Paris and had 3 job offers in 3 different countries and took the one back in the US. He is in NYC now.

Now you’re just making stuff up…

Ok. Go ahead and compare OU to IE…..

I think someone may have pointe this out, but cost does not always pair w/ having citizenship. In many cases, it is connected to local residency. My UK citizen kids would have to pay international rates if they attended UK schools

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is difference we saw with our kids…one graduated from an avg well known but not elite flagship state U. (Still a t100) The other graduated from IE in Madrid….The state U kid had opportunities for jobs…but they were all local/regional smaller companies with zero chance to branch out to a bigger well known position in big US cities…. My IE kid had a world of opportunities in front of him. Interned in Switzerland and then Paris and had 3 job offers in 3 different countries and took the one back in the US. He is in NYC now.

Now you’re just making stuff up…

+1

On DCUM, when people give anecdotes to support a narrative, I just assume they lie.

Anonymous wrote:This is difference we saw with our kids…one graduated from an avg well known but not elite flagship state U. (Still a t100) The other graduated from IE in Madrid….The state U kid had opportunities for jobs…but they were all local/regional smaller companies with zero chance to branch out to a bigger well known position in big US cities…. My IE kid had a world of opportunities in front of him. Interned in Switzerland and then Paris and had 3 job offers in 3 different countries and took the one back in the US. He is in NYC now.

Now you’re just making stuff up…