Anonymous wrote:UW-3.7 is not a low-ish GPA. This is why I hate DCUMs sometimes. And 1510 is a solidly high SAT.

No, he likely won't make Harvard or maybe T25, but otherwise, he can go anywhere else in the country.

Anonymous wrote:The line in the sand is just counselor gatekeeping. And where to draw the line is different from school to school.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

What eve in a "top 20" college anymore? It seems on DCUM that 35 national universities and 5 slacs routinely get referred to as "top 20", so that's 40 schools! USNWR is not reliable as they keep changing their criteria and the unis keep changing their admission tactics to gamify their rankings. Very silly.

If you forget about rankings entirely and just take off the extremely prestigious and hyper selective schools that need "special talent" or insane accomplishments (harvard, princeton, mit, yale, stanford, etc.), I think this type of candidate could have strong or surprise results with very good or excellent schools but not tippy top prestige. Think similar to the BU/NYU/USC group.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

Anonymous wrote:UW-3.7 is not a low-ish GPA. This is why I hate DCUMs sometimes. And 1510 is a solidly high SAT.

No, he likely won't make Harvard or maybe T25, but otherwise, he can go anywhere else in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

In RD, many people throw in applications to top schools even when they are below 3.8 but unless they have something compelling they won't get in because they are competing against the 3.85+ students.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

It's a vicious cycle at your school. Every one is watching "very, very closely". Everyone is observing this imaginary "line".
Guess what? No one is applying with 3.7 anymore, and that "line" will stay there forever.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

What you’re saying is irrelevant though, if it’s clear from the data that no student with below a 3.8 ever gets in.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

It's not the numbers that hold you back.
3.7 from a rigorous private passes the bar.

It's other things that hold you back. Recommendation is going to be different for a 3.7 kid v a 3.9 kid.
ECs? 3.7 kid is less motivated to do amazing ECs compared to 3.9 kid.
Essays? same.

Correlation vs Causation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.

No, the line in the sand to top20's from our top DC private is a 3.8. I wish it were lower. I watched this very, very closely last year. 3.8 maintains opportunities, 3.7 shuts almost all doors. This is this the UVA line in the sand from our school as well as the Ivy line.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi all,

Trying to gather some anecdata. Has anyone's DC had good or surprisingly good results in RD for a male student with a low-ish GPA and a high-ish SAT and solid ECs? We're trying to figure out what's possible.

Tiny private school so scoir data feels unhelpful.
GPA: uw 3.7-ish, weighted 4.1-ish, good rigor. no grades ever below B+.
SAT: 1510
ECs: 3-season varsity athlete (not a captain), senior leader on newspaper, some other school leadership, community service
Major: Poli sci or History
Interested in mid-sized campuses, urban or suburban (not rural).
Male
Good references from math/humanities teachers.
Interested primarily in East Coast or West Coast because of family.
Good writer so essays will be strong.

3.7 / 1510 / good rigor are good stats.
These stats would pass academic bar at any schools, particularly at T20s which practice holistic review.
Once you pass the academic bar, no one cares about 3.7 or 1510 anymore.

Other parts of the application are more important than you'd think.
Work on your essays to make you stand out.