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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

You send Susie in her coat. Susie takes off her coat the moment she’s out of your sight. What do you do next?

There is zero chance Susie is standing at the bus stop at 7 am shivering with a coat in her backpack. Stop the lunacy.

There’s…zero chance? If you are a human living in 2025 and you have working eyeballs, you would know how frequently this happens. That’s like saying there’s zero chance a kid would wear pajama pants to school.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

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Anonymous wrote:"Send kid"
OP, your words matter. Instead of how you view parenting, in other families, the kid is deciding. Or forgetting. Or is expected to take a coat and doesn't, because they don't want to. The kid may be getting-out-the-door on their own, more independently. Maybe all on their own, parent not home when the kid leaves for school. Greater independence may have a more significant positive result vs the poor decision re: a coat

Poster child for lazy parenting right here. It's your job to make sure your kids get out in the world prepared for the day. It's why they don't live on their own yet.

Eh some kids learn better the hard way. They aren't all rule following robots who never push boundaries with authoritative parents making all the decisions for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The rest of us know you're failing as a parent.

NP. How old are your kids?

22, 20 and 16. All of them dressed appropriately at all ages and still do.

Bodies are different if the kids aren't cold what do you care?

They ARE cold!!! Your poor kids.

You people are too much. Do your kids not voice their every whim and thought? They would certainly speak up if they were. They run around, have fun, and are no worse for the wear. The ones who are always cold will dutifully wear the coat. Magically it just all works out with no visits to the hospital for frost bite. Imagine that.

Sure, sure....so when I see kids shivering at the bus stop, it's just a hoax? It's total BS and you know it. But I suspect you'll never admit that you're actually failing as a parent.

I'm perfectly ok with my kid learning that lesson. That is part of parenting. Did you not have enough faith in your kids? Why do you doubt them so much?

Like i said, lazy BS parenting and now you're having to do mental gymnastics to justify it. It's not like the rest of us have some special, super agreeable kids. We know it's a struggle to make them do the right thing. You're just choosing the easy, lazy path. We get it.

What did your parents teach you about how to talk to people in a kind, respectful, thoughtful way? Were you ever taught how to understand other people's perspectives? Do you think you were receptive to that teaching, or were you resistant to it? Did you ever teach your children these things?

Some more mental gymnastics and changing of subjects, I see. Is it because you know you sound ridiculous and have to resort to this? hmm

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

You send Susie in her coat. Susie takes off her coat the moment she’s out of your sight. What do you do next?

You find it stuffed in her backpack.

Well yes, but I want to know how PP prevents Susie from acting of her own volition from there on out.

My kids refuse to wear coats. One wears shorts year round. They don't go outside for recess. If there was a fire then I would go and get him. It's not like they would stop and get their coats in a fire anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

You send Susie in her coat. Susie takes off her coat the moment she’s out of your sight. What do you do next?

There is zero chance Susie is standing at the bus stop at 7 am shivering with a coat in her backpack. Stop the lunacy.

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OP, your words matter. Instead of how you view parenting, in other families, the kid is deciding. Or forgetting. Or is expected to take a coat and doesn't, because they don't want to. The kid may be getting-out-the-door on their own, more independently. Maybe all on their own, parent not home when the kid leaves for school. Greater independence may have a more significant positive result vs the poor decision re: a coat

Poster child for lazy parenting right here. It's your job to make sure your kids get out in the world prepared for the day. It's why they don't live on their own yet.

Eh some kids learn better the hard way. They aren't all rule following robots who never push boundaries with authoritative parents making all the decisions for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The rest of us know you're failing as a parent.

NP. How old are your kids?

22, 20 and 16. All of them dressed appropriately at all ages and still do.

Bodies are different if the kids aren't cold what do you care?

They ARE cold!!! Your poor kids.

You people are too much. Do your kids not voice their every whim and thought? They would certainly speak up if they were. They run around, have fun, and are no worse for the wear. The ones who are always cold will dutifully wear the coat. Magically it just all works out with no visits to the hospital for frost bite. Imagine that.

Sure, sure....so when I see kids shivering at the bus stop, it's just a hoax? It's total BS and you know it. But I suspect you'll never admit that you're actually failing as a parent.

I'm perfectly ok with my kid learning that lesson. That is part of parenting. Did you not have enough faith in your kids? Why do you doubt them so much?

Like i said, lazy BS parenting and now you're having to do mental gymnastics to justify it. It's not like the rest of us have some special, super agreeable kids. We know it's a struggle to make them do the right thing. You're just choosing the easy, lazy path. We get it.

What did your parents teach you about how to talk to people in a kind, respectful, thoughtful way? Were you ever taught how to understand other people's perspectives? Do you think you were receptive to that teaching, or were you resistant to it? Did you ever teach your children these things?

And fwiw I insist my little kids take their coats even if they don’t want to wear them because they’re bad at predicting how they’ll feel, but teenagers can FAFO if they like. (I remember being six and being nagged to put my coat on but it was too hot!)

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

You send Susie in her coat. Susie takes off her coat the moment she’s out of your sight. What do you do next?

You find it stuffed in her backpack.

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Anonymous wrote:"Send kid"
OP, your words matter. Instead of how you view parenting, in other families, the kid is deciding. Or forgetting. Or is expected to take a coat and doesn't, because they don't want to. The kid may be getting-out-the-door on their own, more independently. Maybe all on their own, parent not home when the kid leaves for school. Greater independence may have a more significant positive result vs the poor decision re: a coat

Poster child for lazy parenting right here. It's your job to make sure your kids get out in the world prepared for the day. It's why they don't live on their own yet.

Eh some kids learn better the hard way. They aren't all rule following robots who never push boundaries with authoritative parents making all the decisions for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The rest of us know you're failing as a parent.

NP. How old are your kids?

22, 20 and 16. All of them dressed appropriately at all ages and still do.

Bodies are different if the kids aren't cold what do you care?

They ARE cold!!! Your poor kids.

You people are too much. Do your kids not voice their every whim and thought? They would certainly speak up if they were. They run around, have fun, and are no worse for the wear. The ones who are always cold will dutifully wear the coat. Magically it just all works out with no visits to the hospital for frost bite. Imagine that.

Sure, sure....so when I see kids shivering at the bus stop, it's just a hoax? It's total BS and you know it. But I suspect you'll never admit that you're actually failing as a parent.

I'm perfectly ok with my kid learning that lesson. That is part of parenting. Did you not have enough faith in your kids? Why do you doubt them so much?

Like i said, lazy BS parenting and now you're having to do mental gymnastics to justify it. It's not like the rest of us have some special, super agreeable kids. We know it's a struggle to make them do the right thing. You're just choosing the easy, lazy path. We get it.

We parent the kids we have. Yours needed a lot of direction, hand holding, and guidance. I wouldn't brag about that, to be honest.

Why is wearing a coat in the winter “the right thing” or “dressing appropriately”? Because it’s cold and if you don’t wear a coat you’ll be cold. There’s not a dress code for the months of December to February, for Pete’s sake. If a kid isn’t cold without a coat, whether because they run hot or because it’s 50° out despite being the week before Christmas, being coatless isn’t inappropriate. This seems pretty basic.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:"Send kid"
OP, your words matter. Instead of how you view parenting, in other families, the kid is deciding. Or forgetting. Or is expected to take a coat and doesn't, because they don't want to. The kid may be getting-out-the-door on their own, more independently. Maybe all on their own, parent not home when the kid leaves for school. Greater independence may have a more significant positive result vs the poor decision re: a coat

Poster child for lazy parenting right here. It's your job to make sure your kids get out in the world prepared for the day. It's why they don't live on their own yet.

Eh some kids learn better the hard way. They aren't all rule following robots who never push boundaries with authoritative parents making all the decisions for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The rest of us know you're failing as a parent.

NP. How old are your kids?

22, 20 and 16. All of them dressed appropriately at all ages and still do.

Not one of them has ever pushed back on their mother’s sartorial choices for them?

It is your job as a parent to dress your kids appropriately for the weather.

You didn’t answer the question.

If your 16-year-old decided not to wear a coat to school on a cold day, what would you do?

Nothing. Teens know how to dress to feel comfortable.

Some kids learn that much earlier apparently.

And some, like my very successful son, still hate coats. They make him too hot. At some point, you have to give your kids some agency over their decisions. Especially one so stupid as arguing about a coat. I provided one, but he chose not to wear it. I went out to dinner over the weekend and it was 11 degrees. I only wore a nice cardigan. I’m not a fan of coats either unless doing outdoor activities for an extended period of time. Worry about your own kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

You send Susie in her coat. Susie takes off her coat the moment she’s out of your sight. What do you do next?