Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

In every state that had a ballot initiative to increase the minimum wage, it passed easily. Red and blue.

Progressive economic ballot initiatives win in every state or municipality.

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Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

I can assure you that in the District, which is all that we are talking about here, both DCPS first year teachers and new grad RNs make significantly more than that.

Tell that to hard working American voters and see who gets elected President next time.

What does that even mean. People in Iowa will elect a president based on how much the min c wage is in DC?

I assure you that people in DC making min wage are barely scraping by and are not out of touch with the same kind of struggle in other parts of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

I can assure you that in the District, which is all that we are talking about here, both DCPS first year teachers and new grad RNs make significantly more than that.

Tell that to hard working American voters and see who gets elected President next time.

Anonymous wrote:A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

I can assure you that in the District, which is all that we are talking about here, both DCPS first year teachers and new grad RNs make significantly more than that.

A perfect example of why Washington DC folks are out of touch with many American workers. First year teachers, nurses, and social workers in most places don"t make that much.

This is a ballot initiative, and you should always be very suspicious of ballot initiatives. Usually things become ballot initiatives because the people behind it tried to go through the normal legislative channels and were turned down. They went to the mayor and our uber liberal city council and they both said "hell no." They probably didn't initially take no for an answer, and they tried and tried and tried. When all the elected people turn you down for the ninth time, your last resort to go to the ballot initiative where you'll just have some dumb bumper sticker slogans about why your idea isn't stupid and pray that voters don't think more than two seconds about whether it's a good idea. But remember: the only reason why this is a ballot initiative is because our elected leaders thought this was a stupid idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

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The idea is stupid. It's for people who don't know the first thing about economics.

If we paid dishwashers a million dollars an hour they'd still be poor, because the prices of everyone else's labor, and all the things that everyone buys, would go up by the same amount.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

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The idea is stupid. It's for people who don't know the first thing about economics.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

If the employees had employment options that paid better they wouldn’t be working at the restaurant. Now you’ve put everyone at the restaurant out of I job.

I’m not against any minimum wage. I just believe that above a certain level it breaks business models and leaves otherwise employable people without jobs. I believe 25 bucks and the numbers from the last ballot measure were above that level.

The small business owners always cry wolf but then they adjust. No business owner wants to be told how much they must pay their workers.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine having to pay some teenager the equivalent of roughly $55k per year just to wash dishes or scrub toilets:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/workers-labor-advocates-call-for-dc-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-25/4025867/

R.I.P. DC economy. No am I going to pay $100/entree for mediocre food or, $900/night for a garbage hotel simply because businesses have to cover out control labor costs.

Teenagers are not during these jobs. They are competing with people who can work all year, without regard to limited hour restrictions. Basically most of these jobs are occupied by adults taking care of a family. With that said, that is a ridiculously high minimum wage salary for so little skills, so the question becomes will salary automatically increase for the skilled labor.

No. Probably not.

But it depends on the availability of skilled labor. For difficult and thankless skilled labor jobs that people aren't crazy about doing and only do for the money, there will be an exodus to easier jobs given the newly higher min wage, and the rates for such jobs will have to go up. Outside of that? No -- rate will not "automatically increase" for skilled labor.

I've been through this with what my peers and I considered to be a pretty decently paying job for a job that required skills but not a degree or extensive experience. In 2015 when I began this work we were making $19 per hour, and min wage was $10.50 at the time in DC. We now make $25 per hour and min wage is $17.95 per hour. I doubt we would get much of a raise with a min wage going to $25. We'd get one, probably, but it would be nominal. It's a desirable job for many reasons, so there wouldn't be a lot of quitting, even though we'd all talk about it.

Wages, any rise in min wage, and the employment rate all work together in fascinating ways. But changes will never be completely predictable (or even decipherable), even by top economists.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

If the employees had employment options that paid better they wouldn’t be working at the restaurant. Now you’ve put everyone at the restaurant out of I job.

I’m not against any minimum wage. I just believe that above a certain level it breaks business models and leaves otherwise employable people without jobs. I believe 25 bucks and the numbers from the last ballot measure were above that level.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.