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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth data indicated that a 1570 scorer had a significantly improved chance of admission compared to a 1500 SAT scorer, around 3 times improved odds.

Perhaps you can say that a 1570 scorer had on average a much better profile, EC's, GPA, LORs, etc. which account for the difference.

But the data is clear: Ivies don't treat a 1570 the same as a 1490.

Higher test scores are -correlated- with higher course rigor and other factors colleges love. That doesn’t mean that the colleges are actually looking at the test scores and admitting 1580s over 1500s based on the test scores alone. Based on what you wrote we are agreed on this, yes?

Absolutely, I agree. I just look at it through this lens, ceteris paribus, a 1570 has a 3x chance of admission to an Ivy versus a 1490 scorer. I just don't subscribe to the theory a 1490 scorer who has the same GPA, rigor, LOR's, EC's as a 1570 is not disadvantaged as compared to the 1570. Some make the claim once you get to a certain score, say 1500, there is no difference in admissions probability. But SFFA data, Dartmouth data, and other outside elite non-Ivy data (like from Caltech) just says this is demonstrably untrue.

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth data indicated that a 1570 scorer had a significantly improved chance of admission compared to a 1500 SAT scorer, around 3 times improved odds.

Perhaps you can say that a 1570 scorer had on average a much better profile, EC's, GPA, LORs, etc. which account for the difference.

But the data is clear: Ivies don't treat a 1570 the same as a 1490.

Of course the 1570 had a better profile overall. Your data does not prove your conclusion.

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth data indicated that a 1570 scorer had a significantly improved chance of admission compared to a 1500 SAT scorer, around 3 times improved odds.

Perhaps you can say that a 1570 scorer had on average a much better profile, EC's, GPA, LORs, etc. which account for the difference.

But the data is clear: Ivies don't treat a 1570 the same as a 1490.

Higher test scores are -correlated- with higher course rigor and other factors colleges love. That doesn’t mean that the colleges are actually looking at the test scores and admitting 1580s over 1500s based on the test scores alone. Based on what you wrote we are agreed on this, yes?

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Anonymous wrote:For Virginia:

41 Yale
29 Harvard
27 Brown
53 Princeton
31 Dartmouth
84 Cornell
29 Columbia
46 UPenn

270 Ivy freshman from Virginia

Why the big difference between Yale and Harvard?

One item is available seats to distribute across states: Harvard gives a larger percnetage of seats to international students, though VA hits above the average at both schools.

Another is athletic recruiting: VA is one of the top 10 homes of Yale athletes, while at Harvard, VA is not in the top states.

I personally know 3 UVA kids who turned down Ivies and similar for in-state tuition at UVA.

-Princeton and Duke
-Columbia
-Vanderbilt and Chicago

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Anonymous wrote:NP. PP considered only Yale, not all Ivies, so both of you are correct.

Look at Arlington County publics. Arlington Magazine. Out of 4 high schools - 2,000 seniors only 0-2 total students are admitted to one of the Ivies, Duke, etc any give year.

Here’s the link:
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions/

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Arlington Magazine doesn’t report ALL admissions (or matriculations).

It’s self-reported data.

This. I don’t understand others not understanding this.

Do you really think there are all of these Ivy acceptances that didn’t get reported?

Bless her heart

This. People turn down ivies for full rides elsewhere or better programs for their major (cmu for cs over an ivy).

Yes it’s why nobody from APS went to Princeton last year . Which has the best need based blind aid in the US

Need based…yes…but donut hole families don’t qualify for that…but they do at top 20s that offer free rides. You are making things up. I know families who have turned ivies down for free rides elsewhere. Smart

Merit based free ride at T20 is extremely rare.
Need based discount, sure. First Gen, maybe.

For others, maybe half tuition.

My kid is at a top 20. Several friends turned down ivies for free rides. They offer huge incentives beyond just tuition. These kids are wooed away from ivies. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise. But I am not arguing with someone who uses a belief to make a statement like it’s a fact.

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth data indicated that a 1570 scorer had a significantly improved chance of admission compared to a 1500 SAT scorer, around 3 times improved odds.

Perhaps you can say that a 1570 scorer had on average a much better profile, EC's, GPA, LORs, etc. which account for the difference.

But the data is clear: Ivies don't treat a 1570 the same as a 1490.

The data is NOT clear. Reread what you wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:For Virginia:

41 Yale
29 Harvard
27 Brown
53 Princeton
31 Dartmouth
84 Cornell
29 Columbia
46 UPenn

270 Ivy freshman from Virginia

Why the big difference between Yale and Harvard?

Just randomness. Some years Virginia gets freshman enrolled in the mid 30's

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Anonymous wrote:NP. PP considered only Yale, not all Ivies, so both of you are correct.

Look at Arlington County publics. Arlington Magazine. Out of 4 high schools - 2,000 seniors only 0-2 total students are admitted to one of the Ivies, Duke, etc any give year.

Here’s the link:
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions/

I can’t believe this actually needs to be said, but…

Arlington Magazine doesn’t report ALL admissions (or matriculations).

It’s self-reported data.

Yes there were 50 kids admitted to Yale and 60 to Harvard that chose to go somewhere else 😂 🤣

And they all got in RD not binding ED😂

Neither of these schools have binding ED.

Dartmouth data indicated that a 1570 scorer had a significantly improved chance of admission compared to a 1500 SAT scorer, around 3 times improved odds.

Perhaps you can say that a 1570 scorer had on average a much better profile, EC's, GPA, LORs, etc. which account for the difference.

But the data is clear: Ivies don't treat a 1570 the same as a 1490.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. PP considered only Yale, not all Ivies, so both of you are correct.

Look at Arlington County publics. Arlington Magazine. Out of 4 high schools - 2,000 seniors only 0-2 total students are admitted to one of the Ivies, Duke, etc any give year.

Here’s the link:
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions/

I can’t believe this actually needs to be said, but…

Arlington Magazine doesn’t report ALL admissions (or matriculations).

It’s self-reported data.

This. I don’t understand others not understanding this.

Do you really think there are all of these Ivy acceptances that didn’t get reported?

Bless her heart

This. People turn down ivies for full rides elsewhere or better programs for their major (cmu for cs over an ivy).

Yes it’s why nobody from APS went to Princeton last year . Which has the best need based blind aid in the US

Need based…yes…but donut hole families don’t qualify for that…but they do at top 20s that offer free rides. You are making things up. I know families who have turned ivies down for free rides elsewhere. Smart

Yes, this isn't uncommon. People begin to ralize when the are really at the decision date that starting life with mounting debt from a brand name school isn't worth it compared to no debt from a great shool with fanstastic job placement records. This is when people realize that there really are hunderds of great colleges in this country, and you don't have to go broke.

Anonymous wrote:For Virginia:

41 Yale
29 Harvard
27 Brown
53 Princeton
31 Dartmouth
84 Cornell
29 Columbia
46 UPenn

270 Ivy freshman from Virginia

Why the big difference between Yale and Harvard?

For Virginia:

41 Yale
29 Harvard
27 Brown
53 Princeton
31 Dartmouth
84 Cornell
29 Columbia
46 UPenn

270 Ivy freshman from Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:You can use Georgetown as a proxy for TT schools that are test required. 25th %-ile is around 1400.

Which is why out counselor always said aim for above 700 in each section and you have met the threshhold for nearly every college.

What is "Threshold"? Up to25% got below 25%ile. To some extent 75%ile is a boosting factor like other achievements (since it goes into the stupid USNews ranking)

Threshhold means the number that gets you into the read further pile (for this high school). It's "enough" for that. It's a hurdle to cross, not a primary criterion. Once you cross that hurdle, it's enough, the rest of the applicaiton is more important. It doesn't mean lower scores won't get read, nor that higher scores wouldn't be useful (especially if some other aspect of the app is weaker), it's just one element, and once you have that 700+/700+ score, SAT will not be the reason that you do or do not get accepted. If you werent going to be accepted or rejected for other reasons, turning your 1470 into a 1530 would not have made the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. PP considered only Yale, not all Ivies, so both of you are correct.

Look at Arlington County publics. Arlington Magazine. Out of 4 high schools - 2,000 seniors only 0-2 total students are admitted to one of the Ivies, Duke, etc any give year.

Here’s the link:
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions/

I can’t believe this actually needs to be said, but…

Arlington Magazine doesn’t report ALL admissions (or matriculations).

It’s self-reported data.

This. I don’t understand others not understanding this.

Do you really think there are all of these Ivy acceptances that didn’t get reported?

Bless her heart

This. People turn down ivies for full rides elsewhere or better programs for their major (cmu for cs over an ivy).

Yes it’s why nobody from APS went to Princeton last year . Which has the best need based blind aid in the US

Need based…yes…but donut hole families don’t qualify for that…but they do at top 20s that offer free rides. You are making things up. I know families who have turned ivies down for free rides elsewhere. Smart

Merit based free ride at T20 is extremely rare.
Need based discount, sure. First Gen, maybe.

For others, maybe half tuition.