Anonymous wrote:If you are public speaking somewhere, how does it feel to see people leaving a few minutes early? It rattles you the speaker, it distracts others in the audience, and its rude, end of story. You are not POTUS, you don't have anywhere to be urgently on a lazy Sunday morning. Just wait for the priest to reach the last pew. This isn't rocket science.

Anonymous wrote:If you are public speaking somewhere, how does it feel to see people leaving a few minutes early? It rattles you the speaker, it distracts others in the audience, and its rude, end of story. You are not POTUS, you don't have anywhere to be urgently on a lazy Sunday morning. Just wait for the priest to reach the last pew. This isn't rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:I leave after communion because I then go to an exercise class that feels very spiritual to me.

The church has an “All are Welcome” sign on the door. I feel welcome to do this. It’s my own spiritual path and I’m not disrupting.

People tortured by this are reasons why people just ditch religion.

Namaste

Really? People would actually leave religion because they feel guilty (or "tortured") about leaving before the mass has officially ended?? This seems very unlikely to me.

Catholicism has an endless list of rules to follow and a culture of guilt, shame and fear. I went to 10 + years of Catholic school and lived it. I don’t think Jesus intended this to be the case. I think Jesus would probably be a Quaker if he was living now - a religion of simplicity and following your inner light.

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Anonymous wrote:I leave after communion because I then go to an exercise class that feels very spiritual to me.

The church has an “All are Welcome” sign on the door. I feel welcome to do this. It’s my own spiritual path and I’m not disrupting.

People tortured by this are reasons why people just ditch religion.

Namaste

Really? People would actually leave religion because they feel guilty (or "tortured") about leaving before the mass has officially ended?? This seems very unlikely to me.

Anonymous wrote:I leave after communion because I then go to an exercise class that feels very spiritual to me.

The church has an “All are Welcome” sign on the door. I feel welcome to do this. It’s my own spiritual path and I’m not disrupting.

People tortured by this are reasons why people just ditch religion.

Namaste

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Anonymous wrote:I leave after communion because I then go to an exercise class that feels very spiritual to me.

The church has an “All are Welcome” sign on the door. I feel welcome to do this. It’s my own spiritual path and I’m not disrupting.

People tortured by this are reasons why people just ditch religion.

Namaste

The "All are welcome" sign doesn't say "All are welcome" to leave before the mass has ended.

And you can not be tortured by this and still think you should stay until the mass is officially over (when the priest says "Go the mass is ended) instead of when it's convenient for you.

Anonymous wrote:I leave after communion because I then go to an exercise class that feels very spiritual to me.

The church has an “All are Welcome” sign on the door. I feel welcome to do this. It’s my own spiritual path and I’m not disrupting.

People tortured by this are reasons why people just ditch religion.

Namaste

Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to deal with the parking lot rush.

Yes, i think it’s exceptionally rude.

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Anonymous wrote:As to homily vs sermon in the Catholic context, I found this an interesting read, especially as to how the age of the priest may contribute to the usage decision.

https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/Worship/Our-Faith/Understanding/HomilyVsSermon.pdf

It’s an interesting read but only because it’s so incredibly wrong.

I grew up Catholic. Let’s be real — most Catholics daydream and fall asleep the minute the priest starts talking. Most Catholics also have no idea what the Bible readings are actually saying. I sat through years and years of this and it never even remotely clicked for me.

I then left religion for 20+ years.

In 2023, in a moment of darkness, I discovered Tim Keller. For the very first time in my life, I was hearing someone talk about religion in a way that actually made sense. I understood what the Gospel actually was. Jesus and his wonderful sacrifice became beautiful to me. I no longer felt shame when I realized that I was a sinner saved by grace. Keller’s sermons absolutely changed my life. The church I now attend has two ministers who are such wonderful preachers. I feel like I learn something new every week and can apply it to my life too.

There is no way — none — that a priest can do the Bible justice in that little ten minute mail it in homily.

Anonymous wrote:As to homily vs sermon in the Catholic context, I found this an interesting read, especially as to how the age of the priest may contribute to the usage decision.

https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/Worship/Our-Faith/Understanding/HomilyVsSermon.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Technically, it’s okay to leaver after Communion. The Mass ends after the meal. It’s not socially acceptable, and I believe the current stance of the Church is you should wait for dismissal at least, if not the full recessional hymn. My guess is people are trying to beat the traffic by leaving before the recessional ends. Not what I do, but agree with PP it’s nothing to get upset over.

The Mass ends with the — get this — dismissal, not “after the [sic] ‘meal’.”

You clearly don’t know your history.

Oh, do enlighten us.

Technically, the sacrifice is complete with the priest’s communion. The communion of the faithful historically is kind of an add-on.

But it would seem odd, would it not, for the deacon to tell people to “Go. The Mass is Ended” (Ite. Missa Est) if that had already occurred and they’d just been randomly hanging out waiting for the news.

The priest doesn't say "go the mass is ended" until everyone has had communion.

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Anonymous wrote:Technically, it’s okay to leaver after Communion. The Mass ends after the meal. It’s not socially acceptable, and I believe the current stance of the Church is you should wait for dismissal at least, if not the full recessional hymn. My guess is people are trying to beat the traffic by leaving before the recessional ends. Not what I do, but agree with PP it’s nothing to get upset over.

The Mass ends with the — get this — dismissal, not “after the [sic] ‘meal’.”

You clearly don’t know your history.

Oh, do enlighten us.

Technically, the sacrifice is complete with the priest’s communion. The communion of the faithful historically is kind of an add-on.

But it would seem odd, would it not, for the deacon to tell people to “Go. The Mass is Ended” (Ite. Missa Est) if that had already occurred and they’d just been randomly hanging out waiting for the news.