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Anonymous wrote:What are the tangible, long term negative affects of more kids getting As? Are these kids unable to find jobs? Are they unable to perform at work if they do find jobs?

Dumbing down is not good.

But what are the alternatives?

Stricter grading leads to more dropouts and more suicides.

Stricter grading also makes it harder for students to get internships and jobs, and harder for them to get into law school and med school.

Nobody likes grade inflation but nobody likes suicide, drop outs, or unemployed/underemployed alums, either.

Number of jobs and seats at law school and med school stay the same, and they will be filled with qualified students.

Under qualified students should not be admitted in the first place and should get out if not at the right place.

That's better for the whole country in the long run.

Harvard changing its policy will have no effect on the whole country in the long run. Under-qualified students from other schools that continue to practice grade inflation will step up to take those law school and med school seats.

No because they need to get a good score in LSAT or MCAT. Under qualified will be weeded out, whether from Harvard or somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the tangible, long term negative affects of more kids getting As? Are these kids unable to find jobs? Are they unable to perform at work if they do find jobs?

Dumbing down is not good.

But what are the alternatives?

Stricter grading leads to more dropouts and more suicides.

Stricter grading also makes it harder for students to get internships and jobs, and harder for them to get into law school and med school.

Nobody likes grade inflation but nobody likes suicide, drop outs, or unemployed/underemployed alums, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

In the past.

Anonymous wrote:test optional has created grade inflation at the college level. private "elite" colleges don't want to reveal that the students that they hand picked to have failed to graduate and have good outcomes. while public state flag ships don't care about students dropping out, because there is a huge community college transfer pipeline to replace them. so how is schools with large TO enrollment survive? the grade inflation is even worse!

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Anonymous wrote:My child goes to one of MIT/Uchicago/Hopkins/Northwestern (no point in saying which) and works so hard for As. The school uses various methods to cap the number of “top achievers,” and she was specifically told in a class this year that typically only 5% of the students leave with an A. Some people here will call them grinder/striver schools, which is just another way of saying that the non-rich, non-legacy riffraff should stay submissive and happy with their lot. But these schools and a few others seem to be so far above Harvard’s academic standards at the moment. Between the lax undergrad standards and the appalling number of Harvard and Yale Law grads who seem to have never read the Constitution, I think a drop in many Ivy League schools’ rankings and popular perception is just a matter of time.

Chicago has legacy preference, and lots of rich private school kids.

Chicago takes full pay B students from our private high school. (my kid resembles that remark - trust me, I tried to sell him on UChicago!)

Are you suggesting that your high school is so easy that B students like your kid are essentially idiots?

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Anonymous wrote:At our private school that doesn't have grade inflation, ivies mostly look at the gpa as a number and don't put much weight on rigor. Kids game the system by choosing the non-rigor course to get their gpa as high as possible. The ivy admits are not nearly as smart as kids who go to MIT, Georgia Tech, CMU, JHU.

This is the case at our big3

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

It's not the education per se as it is the support, connections, and resources available, moron.

STFU You don't know what you dont' know. Idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

It's not the education per se as it is the support, connections, and resources available, moron.

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Anonymous wrote:My child goes to one of MIT/Uchicago/Hopkins/Northwestern (no point in saying which) and works so hard for As. The school uses various methods to cap the number of “top achievers,” and she was specifically told in a class this year that typically only 5% of the students leave with an A. Some people here will call them grinder/striver schools, which is just another way of saying that the non-rich, non-legacy riffraff should stay submissive and happy with their lot. But these schools and a few others seem to be so far above Harvard’s academic standards at the moment. Between the lax undergrad standards and the appalling number of Harvard and Yale Law grads who seem to have never read the Constitution, I think a drop in many Ivy League schools’ rankings and popular perception is just a matter of time.

Chicago has legacy preference, and lots of rich private school kids.

Chicago takes full pay B students from our private high school. (my kid resembles that remark - trust me, I tried to sell him on UChicago!)

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

What an idiot. HYP produced so many Nobel laureates in the past thanks to their education.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard driving itself off a cliff. Needs to get it together.

Result of DEI and wokeness.

Anonymous wrote:Let's face it. Students don't go to HYP because the education is any different than other good schools. They go there because of connections and name recognition, although even these reasons are decreasing in importance.

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Anonymous wrote:If Harvard really cared they’d focus more on academic strength in admissions instead of recruiting fencers and kids who started their own non-profits. Also I hate how they always imply that the lowered standards are from the poor kids and not wealthy athletes who are likely very bright but do have lower average scores.
But I don’t think Harvard cares - I think they like it just the way it is. If they wanted to change this they could force a grading curve with one memo.

Harvard doesn't care, they have never cared because they have never been about peak academics at the undergraduate level. People on this thread are constantly tryin g to make them into something that they have no interest in being. They have always been about a high academic baseline plus other characteristics.

Harvard has for many decades been a mix of peak academics and special talent and leadership and decent sports and peak money. " Each student specializes in one area. "One-quarter have to be happy to be in the bottom quarter"