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Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Far more likely to have it backfire on you, and you end up dead, physically disabled, or in jail, for minimal gains.

That’s wealthy white person thinking.

Nope, that's the thinking of a poor person (including homeless a few times) who worked their ass off working 2-3 jobs, eventually put themselves through college, got better paying white collar professional jobs, and is now upper middle class. Do better.

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that there is a seasonality to DC crime. Naturally lots more in the summer. Also less people in the district with the government shutdown. A lot less.

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Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Far more likely to have it backfire on you, and you end up dead, physically disabled, or in jail, for minimal gains.

That’s wealthy white person thinking.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Far more likely to have it backfire on you, and you end up dead, physically disabled, or in jail, for minimal gains.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Far more likely to have it backfire on you, and you end up dead (no more problems), physically disabled (government disability checks!), or in jail (free room and board and learn how to deal drugs more effectively!), for minimal gains.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Criminals criminal because it’s easier than studying or working.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

More government is never the answer. Sure, heavy handed presence will "reduce crime", but addressing the root CAUSE of the crime to begin with would solve it.

But nobody is interested in having that conversation, much less doing it.

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

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They basically implemented what’s called “stop and Frisk” which has been studied and debunked as a good model for reducing crime.

Stop and frisk, mandatory minimum, three strikes you’re out, broken window theory… they’ve all shown to have a positive short term effect on crime, but extreme long-term negative affects.

You take a hard-working law, abiding immigrant, and throw them in jail for 76 days and then deport them to a country they don’t know… but you leave behind their 13 and 11 year-old children who now have no money, nobody encouraging them to stay in school, and trauma without a loving family around them… guess what you get when they turn 16 and 17… criminals.

There is a difference---nuanced but a definite difference---between "broken windows" theory and the failures of "stop & frisk". There is a great October podcast interviewing a longtime NYPD higher up about what policies have and have not worked since the 1990s. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stop-and-frisk-didnt-work-this-did/id1772157676?i=1000731432940

Under "broken windows" the cops went after perps for low level crime ---such as fare jumping---because (surprise surprise) ---the criminals mugging people on the subway were also not paying to ride it. Unfortunately, as the podcast explains, that approach morphed into "stop & frisk" when precincts became more focused on juicing their statistics. In the same podcast, the guy interviewed had some interesting observations on how the local police forces could use the NG effectively to augment their efforts (e.g., securing crime scenes) even though overall he was opposed to the idea of just sending the NG into cities where they are unwanted.

IMO, I would be a lot happier with the NG presence if they did something productive like spend an evening coordinating with the police to stop all drivers of unregistered/licensed ATVs on city streets. The DC cops can stop them and the NG could be dumping the ATVs into a metal crusher. It would take one night of doing that to stop the ATV lawlessness, as none of these guys would want to lose their toys. I'd rather see that happen than ICE going after the poor immigrant Door Dash guys who are at least trying to make a living. The ATVers are just out to be obnoxious.

What would actually be effective is if the NG were mentoring young people, coaching them, having them shadow them at their jobs, giving them part time jobs etc. all the things being implemented in Baltimore right now.