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Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.

+1

Also helps if there aren't a ton of convenient, off-campus places to spend money on a daily basis. (Especially expensive restaurants.)

I do think this is one of the reasons why Vanderbilt is so bifurcated. The kids go out for really expensive meals and go out on Broadway a couple of times a week.

Combine that with the dry bar blowouts, the barre workout classes and the Whole Foods runs and it’s as expensive as a stay at home mom‘s life.

Anonymous wrote:Two kids at top20 schools and the wealthy private school kids absolutely stick together at both. DC private school (Sidwell, St Albans level) kids are included in this to some degree, depending on the kid. They know NYC and boarding school kids socially because there are kids who start at the DC privates and then go in to Andover, Exeter, Taft, Choate, etc. Or their parents work together at the same companies. or their cousins are in NYC. Or a big one--they went to summer camp together. Or their friends went to summer camp together. My DC private school kids became friends with some wealthy, boarding school kids in college because their DC friends went to summer camp with the NYC kids. The 15k/summer type camps. It's a weird and very close community at the high levels.

This is a large part of why people pay $$$ for private school. connections are made long before college.

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.

Yes, but it's from lower class/poverty to working or professional class. They're not talking lower class to upper middle class or upper class/elite except for an exceedingly rare case.

I am in the asset management business. My kid is an athlete at HYP. He introduced one of his teammates to me. Tough childhood and living circumstances, but it’s only made him stronger. Smart as a whip and profoundly hungry. He will intern with us. If he comes to us full time a few years from now, I can assure you thet he will one day be very wealthy. I stress “if he comes to us” because it’s not going to take a long time for others to figure out he’s a winner. We would be lucky to have him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening post:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1218778.page

Maybe bump it up?

Oh sh*t
Wow

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.

Yes, but it's from lower class/poverty to working or professional class. They're not talking lower class to upper middle class or upper class/elite except for an exceedingly rare case.

I am in the asset management business. My kid is an athlete at HYP. He introduced one of his teammates to me. Tough childhood and living circumstances, but it’s only made him stronger. Smart as a whip and profoundly hungry. He will intern with us. If he comes to us full time a few years from now, I can assure you thet he will one day be very wealthy. I stress “if he comes to us” because it’s not going to take a long time for others to figure out he’s a winner. We would be lucky to have him.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, 100%
My son is at any Ivy and reports that all NYC private school kids and boarding school kids stick together. Several of them have parents who bought houses near the Ivy
that sit mostly empty (freshman year) but that the kids use to party. Also they get local country club memberships for their 4 years and the kids all play golf together.
My kid attended a top private and has been invited to party and golf, etc but told me "They're fine but I don't want my entire social experience to revolve around them" --because apparently it's a pretty all-consuming group.

this is pretty common at most schools in T20.

In general, society is already divided. Just look at the neighborhood and zoning

+1 this is just how America works.

This is how it works everywhere.

True, the rich separate them selves everywhere. Vacation spots, hobbies, neighborhoods, clothing brands. It’s everywhere when you pay attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.

Yes, but it's from lower class/poverty to working or professional class. They're not talking lower class to upper middle class or upper class/elite except for an exceedingly rare case.

Anonymous wrote:For example, do wealthy students often stick together — they tend to hang out on luxury private islands and build their own exclusive networks?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, 100%
My son is at any Ivy and reports that all NYC private school kids and boarding school kids stick together. Several of them have parents who bought houses near the Ivy
that sit mostly empty (freshman year) but that the kids use to party. Also they get local country club memberships for their 4 years and the kids all play golf together.
My kid attended a top private and has been invited to party and golf, etc but told me "They're fine but I don't want my entire social experience to revolve around them" --because apparently it's a pretty all-consuming group.

this is pretty common at most schools in T20.

In general, society is already divided. Just look at the neighborhood and zoning

+1 this is just how America works.

This is how it works everywhere.

Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening post:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1218778.page

Maybe bump it up?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, 100%
My son is at any Ivy and reports that all NYC private school kids and boarding school kids stick together. Several of them have parents who bought houses near the Ivy
that sit mostly empty (freshman year) but that the kids use to party. Also they get local country club memberships for their 4 years and the kids all play golf together.
My kid attended a top private and has been invited to party and golf, etc but told me "They're fine but I don't want my entire social experience to revolve around them" --because apparently it's a pretty all-consuming group.

this is pretty common at most schools in T20.

In general, society is already divided. Just look at the neighborhood and zoning

+1 this is just how America works.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been thinking a lot about what 'prestige' really means in college admissions. From what I’ve observed, many mc parents are fixated on elite private schools — likely because they want to feel part of an exclusive group, and are drawn to features like smaller student-to-teacher ratios. But when it comes to actual education quality, there’s no significant difference between top public and private schools. What really sets these elite institutions apart is the concentration of wealth, which creates the illusion of prestige. Ironically, though, middle-class students often can’t afford to participate in the exclusive networks and activities of their wealthier peers.

A so-called elite school can actually be cheaper because they are able to offer significant aid even to middle class students. That is absolutely one of the reasons they are so competitive. And then the financial burden of paying tuition exists for every college from the bottom to the top.. so people want to use that money to go to the highest quality institution they can access.

I still don't see a significant financial advantage in attending a private elite university over a state flagship. The only real difference I’ve noticed is greater access to faculty (student/teacher ratio)

If your family income is less than $250,000 per year and you have "typical family assets," you are not going to get a tuition bill from Princeton University if you can get yourself in there. That is what a lot of people would call a significant financial advantage.

Fixed it for you. I've run the net price calculator and we would be full pay at Princeton with a HHI of $150k. Not boo-hooing having assets, but this misconception drives me crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.

+1

Also helps if there aren't a ton of convenient, off-campus places to spend money on a daily basis. (Especially expensive restaurants.)

Anonymous wrote:Studies have shown that attending an elite college helps low income students move up in the world.

As for actual social groups, it really depends on the college. Colleges that charge different rates for dorms, that permit residential Greek life, and that charge students to attend activities like concerts, indirectly encourage economic stratification.

If you really are interested in attending a college that discourages economic stratification, I would look to Quaker colleges, colleges that have lottery systems by year for housing, and that have "cashless" campuses where events are free for students.