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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

From the College Commitment thread - 2025 Commits
* Indicates D1
Note: Edited for the adjustment made to Columbia

Metro - 16* (includes 1 who didn't play for them in U18)
VAE - 11*
Paramount - 10*
MD JRS - 9*
Blue Ridge - 7*
Columbia - 7*
LEVBC - 6*
VA JRS - 5*
MOCO - 3*
MVSA - 3*
MOJO - 2
VAVA - 1
Metro North - 1
SRVC - 1

That college commitment list and use of the asterisk is a little disingenuous. If they had ONE d1 commit they got the *. VAE placed 11 but not all were d1.

That’s true for every club, pretty much. That list is from a different thread and is pretty accurate. Just reposted. It’s not any different than the list the PP gave, which also didn’t say how many D1 commits came from each club, just that they had at least one.

and there is movement in clubs after committing for various reasons so the 2025 commits aren't indicative of where they were when they committed.

There’s a pretty robust debate above about the opinion that the only club that deserves to include a player on their list of commitments if that player was on that club when they announce their commitment. IMO, trying to parse what club gets “credit” is silly, but I would nevertheless say that even if you only counted commitments that occurred while the player was at the club. the ordering of clubs by numbers of commitments wouldn’t look much different.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

From the College Commitment thread - 2025 Commits
* Indicates D1
Note: Edited for the adjustment made to Columbia

Metro - 16* (includes 1 who didn't play for them in U18)
VAE - 11*
Paramount - 10*
MD JRS - 9*
Blue Ridge - 7*
Columbia - 7*
LEVBC - 6*
VA JRS - 5*
MOCO - 3*
MVSA - 3*
MOJO - 2
VAVA - 1
Metro North - 1
SRVC - 1

That college commitment list and use of the asterisk is a little disingenuous. If they had ONE d1 commit they got the *. VAE placed 11 but not all were d1.

That’s true for every club, pretty much. That list is from a different thread and is pretty accurate. Just reposted. It’s not any different than the list the PP gave, which also didn’t say how many D1 commits came from each club, just that they had at least one.

and there is movement in clubs after committing for various reasons so the 2025 commits aren't indicative of where they were when they committed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

From the College Commitment thread - 2025 Commits
* Indicates D1
Note: Edited for the adjustment made to Columbia

Metro - 16* (includes 1 who didn't play for them in U18)
VAE - 11*
Paramount - 10*
MD JRS - 9*
Blue Ridge - 7*
Columbia - 7*
LEVBC - 6*
VA JRS - 5*
MOCO - 3*
MVSA - 3*
MOJO - 2
VAVA - 1
Metro North - 1
SRVC - 1

That college commitment list and use of the asterisk is a little disingenuous. If they had ONE d1 commit they got the *. VAE placed 11 but not all were d1.

That’s true for every club, pretty much. That list is from a different thread and is pretty accurate. Just reposted. It’s not any different than the list the PP gave, which also didn’t say how many D1 commits came from each club, just that they had at least one.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

From the College Commitment thread - 2025 Commits
* Indicates D1
Note: Edited for the adjustment made to Columbia

Metro - 16* (includes 1 who didn't play for them in U18)
VAE - 11*
Paramount - 10*
MD JRS - 9*
Blue Ridge - 7*
Columbia - 7*
LEVBC - 6*
VA JRS - 5*
MOCO - 3*
MVSA - 3*
MOJO - 2
VAVA - 1
Metro North - 1
SRVC - 1

That college commitment list and use of the asterisk is a little disingenuous. If they had ONE d1 commit they got the *. VAE placed 11 but not all were d1.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you discussing Vienna Elite? That club seems great, lots of D1 players come from their club

You have Vienna and Virginia Elite mixed up. Teams on Vienna Elite are generally low ranked.

This thread is discussing Virginia Elite and lately there was a very angry parent after tryout weekend last weekend. There was a flurry of nasty posts.

Ah, this makes sense. Thank you for clarifying! New vball mom here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

From the College Commitment thread - 2025 Commits
* Indicates D1
Note: Edited for the adjustment made to Columbia

Metro - 16* (includes 1 who didn't play for them in U18)
VAE - 11*
Paramount - 10*
MD JRS - 9*
Blue Ridge - 7*
Columbia - 7*
LEVBC - 6*
VA JRS - 5*
MOCO - 3*
MVSA - 3*
MOJO - 2
VAVA - 1
Metro North - 1
SRVC - 1

Anonymous wrote:Are you discussing Vienna Elite? That club seems great, lots of D1 players come from their club

You have Vienna and Virginia Elite mixed up. Teams on Vienna Elite are generally low ranked.

This thread is discussing Virginia Elite and lately there was a very angry parent after tryout weekend last weekend. There was a flurry of nasty posts.

Are you discussing Vienna Elite? That club seems great, lots of D1 players come from their club

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

For the most recent graduating class (2025), CHRVA clubs that I can think of off the top of my head that had D1 commits are Metro, Paramount, VAE, VAJRs, MDJRs, MVSA, Blue Ridge, and Liberty Elite. I'm sure there are more that I am missing. A player does not need to be on a team competing for open bids to make it to D1. As long as a player is on a team that goes to a few qualifiers and bigger tournaments where coaches are recruiting, the club isn't a huge factor. College coaches don't generally care much if a player is on a team in Open or a lower division or whether the player's team is winning or losing. For most players, the burden is on them to reach out to college coaches to introduce themselves, send video, and let college coaches know where/when they will be playing and inviting them to come watch them play. Clubs (and paid recruiting services) can help and provide advice in this process, but it is primarily up to player and their family to manage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

I think where that post fell short was ALSO citing how or if Va Elite has these same issues. Or analyzing player movement in or out. Though any movement out of elite means they went somewhere, so where and vice versa. Where did the Paramount and Metro players move to and why.

More importantly maybe, does it even matter at the oldest ages?

What I have not heard said a lot though is that a lot of players moved in to Va Elite. While paramount picked up 12 new players at u18 from somewhere. And it seems proudly took credit when that team of players won the highest best most bigly bid ever out of CHRVA.

Can a player enter Elite at a somewhat younger age and be developed to D1 level athletes? In large numbers vs small exceptions. Or is it the same - they are developed elsewhere and come to Elite for various reasons. Though their site says u18 is locked and you can email to inquire but otherwise aren’t looking for new players. Wow.

At least for last year's 18s, the movement in and out of VAE was pretty modest. There were 4 players who left VAE from 17s to 18s and 3 players who joined the 18s for one season. Of the 3 who left, 2 went to Paramount, 1 went to VAJRs, and 1 went to MOJO. Of the 3 who joined VAE at 18s, 2 were from Paramount and 1 was from MDJRs.

A significant core of last year's VAE 18s had been with the club for 3 or more years and something like 6 of the 12 players on the team are playing D1 now, so yes it is possible to enter VAE at a young age and develop into a collegiate athlete. That said, last years' VAE 18s were probably the most talented VAE as a group in a while. To me, in terms of talent on the team, they should have been better than Paramount's 18s, but they were not able to win the matches needed to get as far as they should have. They didn't get a bid out of regionals and were not able to get a bid at a qualifier so they ended their season at Louisville tournament in mid April. In general, there are some outstanding individual players on VAE teams every year, but that team was a little deeper than most.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Then who do you think the other paths do D1 are? Not challenging but asking fr.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.

Agree. And DD (U17) has no interest in staying with teammates. VA Elite does at open but does not do well. Other teams in the area will play open and do better at tournaments. I'm excluding paramount and metro from that comment bc in so tired of the droning on of those two teams- they aren't the only path to a good team, a D1 scholarship etc.

Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

I think where that post fell short was ALSO citing how or if Va Elite has these same issues. Or analyzing player movement in or out. Though any movement out of elite means they went somewhere, so where and vice versa. Where did the Paramount and Metro players move to and why.

More importantly maybe, does it even matter at the oldest ages?

What I have not heard said a lot though is that a lot of players moved in to Va Elite. While paramount picked up 12 new players at u18 from somewhere. And it seems proudly took credit when that team of players won the highest best most bigly bid ever out of CHRVA.

Can a player enter Elite at a somewhat younger age and be developed to D1 level athletes? In large numbers vs small exceptions. Or is it the same - they are developed elsewhere and come to Elite for various reasons. Though their site says u18 is locked and you can email to inquire but otherwise aren’t looking for new players. Wow.

Anonymous wrote:Why does every thread turn into a Metro vs Paramount thread? How about you guys take this fight on the Metro vs Paramount thread? Believe me: you are the only two who care around here. Stop derailing every thread into Metro / Paramount is evil / great.

Hot take - VA Elite is too expensive and most of their teams aren't really that good. Discuss.