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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

comparing kid A to the profile (rigor and GPA quartiles are on ours) and comparing kid B to the profile is essentially the same as comparing kid A to kid B. Many top colleges have straight up said they compare kids within the high school first, then the region, then the whole pool.

For the rank Q, if the profile does not make it obvious, ask the head counselor. They will usually tell you the decile and maybe more. Also look at naviance at the very top schools. You can start to see that for the three years listed there are only 5 GPAs above 4.9. Those are the GPAs of very top students. If your kid has a 4.3 and that looks borderline on naviance for UVA in-state, yet you know well over 15% of the class gets in....your kid is not likely in the top 15% but if they have other wow factors could still make it.

Of course they compare kids from the same school. They literally evaluate them all from the same school at the same time. I’ve heard that only MIT allows each application to “stand in its own” which is why getting in there seems random at times.

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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

comparing kid A to the profile (rigor and GPA quartiles are on ours) and comparing kid B to the profile is essentially the same as comparing kid A to kid B. Many top colleges have straight up said they compare kids within the high school first, then the region, then the whole pool.

For the rank Q, if the profile does not make it obvious, ask the head counselor. They will usually tell you the decile and maybe more. Also look at naviance at the very top schools. You can start to see that for the three years listed there are only 5 GPAs above 4.9. Those are the GPAs of very top students. If your kid has a 4.3 and that looks borderline on naviance for UVA in-state, yet you know well over 15% of the class gets in....your kid is not likely in the top 15% but if they have other wow factors could still make it.

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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

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Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

For high schools that do not rank, how do we know whether kids are in top 10%? Admission directors repeatedly said they don't compare kids from the same school, but only compare each kid to the reported school profile to understand the rigor and offering. This is what they meant by holistic review.

Anonymous wrote:Our college counselor (competitive private north of DMV) says being in top 10% is important, not grades themselves. This tracks with stats of colleges reporting how many students in top 10%. For example, northwestern is something like 98%(?) and Wash U “just” ~86%(?). Just like SAT scores, colleges won’t want to admit kids who will lower their average

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Anonymous wrote:It matters.
My child applied with equal As and A minuses (no Bs) and very strong extracurriculars and did much differently in top20 admissions than classmates who only had one or two A minuses.

I don't believe your claim of causality. Most school districts don't even report A-minuses separately from As.

Academic rigor, SAT/ACT, achievements, extracurriculars, and diversity/challenge factors matter more than tiny differences in GPA.

Private schools do report A and A- separately, and most don't weight GPAs. At the top private schools, many kids have very high SATs (above 1550) and strong ECs etc. So absent hooks (esp. for athletes, it seems, and BIG donors), for top students who took the most rigorous courses available, small differences in GPA do matter.

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Anonymous wrote:How could almost straight As look better than straight As? Given the same rigor, straight As always looks better. But no school requires straight As, kids get into every school with less than perfect grades.

Grades that are too perfect feel somehow off to me (like cheating is involved or something) but I think that is because literally not one person in my graduating class (small private) had straight As. Having seen my son get through two years with straight As, I can see how it is possible. But calc is definitely challenging him.

Umm...I graduated HS with all A's (no A- even), went onto a T10, double majored in engineering and music and graduated in 5 years (with 6+ years of coursework) with a 3.9gpa in College, and multiple internships as well. HS was not that difficult to do well in, college took a bit more work

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Anonymous wrote:It matters.
My child applied with equal As and A minuses (no Bs) and very strong extracurriculars and did much differently in top20 admissions than classmates who only had one or two A minuses.

I don't believe your claim of causality. Most school districts don't even report A-minuses separately from As.

Academic rigor, SAT/ACT, achievements, extracurriculars, and diversity/challenge factors matter more than tiny differences in GPA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It matters.
My child applied with equal As and A minuses (no Bs) and very strong extracurriculars and did much differently in top20 admissions than classmates who only had one or two A minuses.

I don't believe your claim of causality. Most school districts don't even report A-minuses separately from As.

Academic rigor, SAT/ACT, achievements, extracurriculars, and diversity/challenge factors matter more than tiny differences in GPA.

Anonymous wrote:It matters.
My child applied with equal As and A minuses (no Bs) and very strong extracurriculars and did much differently in top20 admissions than classmates who only had one or two A minuses.