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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size, then almost all private schools in the area

It’s a little over 700 and that includes the middle school. It’s 6-12.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size, then almost all private schools in the area

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size than almost all private schools in the area

Its seven grades, HB is both a middle school and a high school. There are a lot of limitations from having such small grades--they don't offer a lot of advanced high school classes at all/every year/standalone (often there is both AP and regular in the same room at the same period). Plus all of the other differences between public HB and private schools (facility size comparable to a 700-student middle school, no middle school sports or on site high school sports, no endowment to fund special activities, etc). Student body size is the other comparison I would make to a private school, its definitely a public school.

People do not think this through when they send kids there. If you have a high achieving academic kid who would take upwards of 10+ APs at one of the large high schools, HB is not a good fit.

or maybe it is - in that it seems easier to get your guidance counselor to check the "took the most challenging course load possible" box at HB than at W&L. And that leaves more time for starting your own non-profit or whatever other thing your kid needs to do to get into a top Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size than almost all private schools in the area

Its seven grades, HB is both a middle school and a high school. There are a lot of limitations from having such small grades--they don't offer a lot of advanced high school classes at all/every year/standalone (often there is both AP and regular in the same room at the same period). Plus all of the other differences between public HB and private schools (facility size comparable to a 700-student middle school, no middle school sports or on site high school sports, no endowment to fund special activities, etc). Student body size is the other comparison I would make to a private school, its definitely a public school.

People do not think this through when they send kids there. If you have a high achieving academic kid who would take upwards of 10+ APs at one of the large high schools, HB is not a good fit.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size than almost all private schools in the area

Its seven grades, HB is both a middle school and a high school. There are a lot of limitations from having such small grades--they don't offer a lot of advanced high school classes at all/every year/standalone (often there is both AP and regular in the same room at the same period). Plus all of the other differences between public HB and private schools (facility size comparable to a 700-student middle school, no middle school sports or on site high school sports, no endowment to fund special activities, etc). Student body size is the other comparison I would make to a private school, its definitely a public school.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

100 kids? I thought hb was a school size of 750, so wouldn’t that be closer to 200?

That’s a smaller class size than almost all private schools in the area

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Anonymous wrote:Everything HB has isn’t automatically better.

They have this schedule to make it possible for them to have the latest start time and still allow high school kids to participate in sports at their home school. That’s it. Otherwise they can’t make the buses work.

Block periods - like most things - have pros and cons. Some subjects and topics really do benefit from a longer period. Major advantage for your student is they don’t get homework in all the subjects due the next day. Yes sometimes I’m sure 90 minutes is also too long.

90 minute blocks are an abomination. Very few teachers take advantage of the extra time, usually it’s just given over to class work so the teacher can plan or chill

I forgot that HBW also managed to have the later start time of 8am, which study after study has shown is best for high school students.

How do I convince my principal to make WL start at 9 and restore the traditional 50 minute periods?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

for a class of 100 kids...

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Anonymous wrote:Former HB parent here. Are you saying HB no longer offers AP English?

It does but not in 12th grade

Interesting change. Thanks.

I see that HB continues to have SAT scores that average around 1300, maybe 50 or so points higher than Yorktown and W-L. They're good scores but could be better given the self-selected student body. And the AP test scores aren't that great either. They're fine, but not great.

Still, you can usually count on more than one and sometimes as many as four or five Ivy admits each year, which is impressive for a public school its size that doesn't require testing. In recent years there have been two admits in the same class to Stanford, Brown and Yale.

All in all, I'd have to say that HB is as good but certainly no better academically than the neighborhood schools, and generally speaking is probably less rigorous. I still remember a highly academically driven family moving their HB kid under protest to the neighborhood school after middle school because they were unimpressed. I thought at the time that they were being ridiculous but the kid ultimately ended up in a top 3 (Harvard, Stanford, Yale) law school, though, so I guess they knew what they were doing.

When was your last contact with HB? There have NOT been 4-5 Ivy admits each year at HB in the past few years. No one has gotten into Stanford Brown or Yale in the past few years from HB. I'm aware of one admit each year at HB at the Ivy level or similar (Columbia and MIT) over the past 3 years or so. And then also a bunch more kids go other good schools but a tier or two below Ivy.

I do agree that HB is a good school but it is no better than other APS schools, and I'd also agree it is less rigorous. AP classes at HB have been a mixed bag, some have been a disappointment. Some teachers have not finished all the AP units or have not left time for review leaving kids on their own to study. This may be because of HB's condensed schedule. There's just less time to cover the material compared to other schools. APS' late start doesn't help either.

Again we do like HB even with the tradeoffs but there are definitely tradeoffs.

Here are the colleges attended by HB grads every year from 2012-23. The last two years aren't here, obviously, but I'd be surprised if they were dramatically different from the prior 12, which were pretty consistent. Someone goes to Brown virtually every year, sometimes two, and in many years there's a Cornell or two, a Columbia, and from time to time a Harvard, Yale or Princeton. One year Yale took two. And there's an MIT and a couple Stanfords as well.

So, yea, I stand by what I said. I said you can "usually count on more than one and sometimes as many as four or five," which is definitely true and is not the same thing as saying "4-5 Ivy admits each year" which are the words you chose to put into my mouth.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/students-pages/2012-senior-plans-by-state/

Lol, you can try to stand by what you said, but I have actual knowledge of HB's college admissions in the past 3 years and I know for a fact that there have not been as many Ivy admits as you claim. Nowhere close to 4-5.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

that's just 2 ivies, not 4-5 like you keep claiming

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

So they lied about the '25 senior who got into Harvard and accepted?

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

you have no info about the classes of 24 and 25

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I heard that HB's 2025 class had 1 Columbia, 1 Harvard, 1 Cornell, not counting another longtime HB student went to Harvard after doing senior year at a special program.

That strikes me as pretty consistent across time.

Elite students can get into elite schools from any APS high school. HB is great. So is Wakefield, people, just in a different way. If they have the option, let the kid choose to be where they think they'll flourish and it's likely they'll thrive. Kind of the idea behind HB in the first place.

Nope.

2025 - Columbia and Cornell - 1 each. No Harvard.
2024 - MIT (1)
2023 - MIT (1)

That's 1-2 each year nowhere close to 4-5.

You're just wrong. Did you even look at the link I sent? I'll reattach it here to help you out. HB didn't just send one to MIT in 2023 -- they also sent one to Brown and another to Columbia. So that's three, not one. And as I noted they sent another to Duke.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2024/03/2023-Senior-Plans-by-State.pdf