Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure I would trust at this point what a middle school is saying about what math courses they think high schools will be offering 9th graders in 2029-2030. I mean, thanks for sharing, it's useful to know that that's what Cabin John is telling folks, but I would not take that as any kind of clear indication that MCPS high schools will definitely be doing one year of pre-calculus in 9th and then send the kids on to calculus in 10th.

I agree with this. I imagine they would create a two-year precalc sequence to ensure that kids are ready for calc.

I'm not sure I would trust at this point what a middle school is saying about what math courses they think high schools will be offering 9th graders in 2029-2030. I mean, thanks for sharing, it's useful to know that that's what Cabin John is telling folks, but I would not take that as any kind of clear indication that MCPS high schools will definitely be doing one year of pre-calculus in 9th and then send the kids on to calculus in 10th.

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Anonymous wrote:Just had the MS overview for my 5th grader today. They're starting the new Integrated Algebra 1 and 2 from next year at our MS (Cabin John.) From their pathway overview, Integrated Algebra 2 will be followed by Precalculus. Seems like they're just cutting a bunch of stuff for the calc-bound kids? (Not that MCPS was doing great before, but I trust them even less to implement this.) Somehow RSM is able to implement 3 years of Algebra and Geometry, but MCPS isn't (yes yes I know it's easier to teach to a more homogenous group, but still, this is how many countries do it.)

Integrated math won't roll out anywhere next year. It rolls out the following year (FY 2027-2028).

And this isn't an MCPS decision. It came from the state. MCPS would not change this if it didn't have to. I hope they will add a course before precalc, because kids are already struggling with the three-year sequence. They are especially going to struggle with just 2.

Sorry, I guess I didn't explain it properly. My 5th grader won't have it next year, but some current 5th graders (including probably her, given her good MAP-M scores) will be in Integrated Algebra starting in 7th grade, after a year of pre-algebra. So it will roll out with her cohort, some of whom will be on track to take Precalc in 9th, after 2 years of Integrated Algebra, whereas in the past it would have 2 years of Algebra and 1 of Geometry. (I guess that I did assume that they're rolling it out for some current 7th graders next year at Cabin John, but I probably misunderstood.)

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Anonymous wrote:Just had the MS overview for my 5th grader today. They're starting the new Integrated Algebra 1 and 2 from next year at our MS (Cabin John.) From their pathway overview, Integrated Algebra 2 will be followed by Precalculus. Seems like they're just cutting a bunch of stuff for the calc-bound kids? (Not that MCPS was doing great before, but I trust them even less to implement this.) Somehow RSM is able to implement 3 years of Algebra and Geometry, but MCPS isn't (yes yes I know it's easier to teach to a more homogenous group, but still, this is how many countries do it.)

Integrated math won't roll out anywhere next year. It rolls out the following year (FY 2027-2028).

And this isn't an MCPS decision. It came from the state. MCPS would not change this if it didn't have to. I hope they will add a course before precalc, because kids are already struggling with the three-year sequence. They are especially going to struggle with just 2.

Just had the MS overview for my 5th grader today. They're starting the new Integrated Algebra 1 and 2 from next year at our MS (Cabin John.) From their pathway overview, Integrated Algebra 2 will be followed by Precalculus. Seems like they're just cutting a bunch of stuff for the calc-bound kids? (Not that MCPS was doing great before, but I trust them even less to implement this.) Somehow RSM is able to implement 3 years of Algebra and Geometry, but MCPS isn't (yes yes I know it's easier to teach to a more homogenous group, but still, this is how many countries do it.)

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

I heard trig is eliminated

Trig was never a graduation requirement.

Trig was used to be included in geometry and then goes a bit deeper in Algebra 2. But since graduation requires only Algebra 1, so whatever…

Graduation currently requires Alg1 and Geometry. MCPS requires through Alg2. So Maryland and MCPS graduation requirements will have to be changed.

Mcps does not require through Algebra 2.
It requires Algebra, Geometry and two other math credits.

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

I heard trig is eliminated

Trig was never a graduation requirement.

Trig was used to be included in geometry and then goes a bit deeper in Algebra 2. But since graduation requires only Algebra 1, so whatever…

Graduation currently requires Alg1 and Geometry. MCPS requires through Alg2. So Maryland and MCPS graduation requirements will have to be changed.

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

I heard trig is eliminated

Trig was never a graduation requirement.

Trig was used to be included in geometry and then goes a bit deeper in Algebra 2. But since graduation requires only Algebra 1, so whatever…

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

Geometry content.

What is the major effects for missing to learn geometry content to an average adult? I am just curious about it. I am not from here, what is included in geometry content curriculum?

They could have created a three-year sequence like other states have to cover all the content. They didn't. I don't think MD thinks that is important for kids to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

Geometry content.

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

I heard trig is eliminated

Trig was never a graduation requirement.

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?

I heard trig is eliminated

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Anonymous wrote:So the thinking is that a lot of high schoolers don't need geometry, so it's eliminated as a requirement... but it's not going to be offered to kids who do need it as a pre-req to trig/calc/physics?

Geometry is not being "eliminated" per se, it's being integrated into the two algebra courses, supposedly.

I understand your skepticism on how they can do that and maintain a meaningful understanding and learning of geometry that is equal to what they would have gotten with it as a standalone class, but that is what they're purporting to do....

Yeah, I understand smushing 3 years into 2 for elementary math, but don't think it's a good idea later on here.

They are not accelerating -- covering 3 years in 2. They are eliminating standards. That means students miss content.

They’re watering down the graduation requirements.

What? Which parts do they skip?