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Anonymous wrote:I have a pre-med, not engineering, just curious, is goal to have a good backup career option or real interest in both and torn?

I do believe that's what OP was thinking/asking before this thread got hijacked. The path to becoming a doctor is so difficult, OP is thinking working as an engineer if becoming a doctor is unattainable.

Yep.

Well, to answer from my kid’s experience. It’s not a common option at my kid’s Ivy, but school also isn’t known for engineering. That being said, probably one of the easier to make it work though for that reason.

Premed is such a challenging path with so much required outside of difficult classwork. Engineering seems similar in that project teams are such a big deal it seems? It would be very difficult I’d presume and probably guarantee gap years to get required hours completed would be my guess, but I understand the thought process. It’s just difficult to go all-in as needed and choose another difficult major without a lot of overlap in classes or requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a pre-med, not engineering, just curious, is goal to have a good backup career option or real interest in both and torn?

I do believe that's what OP was thinking/asking before this thread got hijacked. The path to becoming a doctor is so difficult, OP is thinking working as an engineer if becoming a doctor is unattainable.

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

They don’t.

Well the 8-10 programs my kid applied to required at least Orgo 1, many required Orgo 1&2

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Anonymous wrote:I have a pre-med, not engineering, just curious, is goal to have a good backup career option or real interest in both and torn?

I do believe that's what OP was thinking/asking before this thread got hijacked. The path to becoming a doctor is so difficult, OP is thinking working as an engineer if becoming a doctor is unattainable.

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a pre-med, not engineering, just curious, is goal to have a good backup career option or real interest in both and torn?

I do believe that's what OP was thinking/asking before this thread got hijacked. The path to becoming a doctor is so difficult, OP is thinking working as an engineer if becoming a doctor is unattainable.

Anonymous wrote:I have a pre-med, not engineering, just curious, is goal to have a good backup career option or real interest in both and torn?

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

They don’t.

Well the 8-10 programs my kid applied to required at least Orgo 1, many required Orgo 1&2

Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

They don’t.

Well the 8-10 programs my kid applied to required at least Orgo 1, many required Orgo 1&2

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

They don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

But most Chem E programs require it (at least in the T75 schools)

My Chem E major would agree that it's not really used. They hated it, but loved thermo (which is a good thing for a chem E major).

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Agree, part of the required degree at top schools and happens to make the overlap for a premed engineering student make sense. I do not use orgo daily in medicine yet it was required . Not sure why Ochem required for chemE materials BME degrees at MIT hopkins GT CMU etc is surprising or somehow controversial? These are well respected schools, the best in the country, as are the various unnamed ivies that PPs have mentioned that require it. So? That is not a negative on an engineering program to require or strongly encourage courses that some engineers later in their career profess are “unnecessary”. Ok. No skin in this game as mine is not premed and is in a different engineering field at one of these top schools. Gasp he is taking quantum maybe it is “not needed”? Who care I trust his top school and their challenging curriculum. He likes the challenge as do his peers. Thats why he is there

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Agree, part of the required degree at top schools and happens to make the overlap for a premed engineering student make sense. I do not use orgo daily in medicine yet it was required . Not sure why Ochem required for chemE materials BME degrees at MIT hopkins GT CMU etc is surprising or somehow controversial? These are well respected schools, the best in the country, as are the various unnamed ivies that PPs have mentioned that require it. So? That is not a negative on an engineering program to require or strongly encourage courses that some engineers later in their career profess are “unnecessary”. Ok. No skin in this game as mine is not premed and is in a different engineering field at one of these top schools. Gasp he is taking quantum maybe it is “not needed”? Who care I trust his top school and their challenging curriculum. He likes the challenge as do his peers. Thats why he is there

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.