Anonymous
07/23/2025 00:50
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
The fact that you think residents are 21 years old shows how little you know about medical education. Even as they start residency, medical students have over 5000 hours of focused, supervised clinical training. If you really think you know so much better than them, you shouldn't have much trouble getting into and crushing medical school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
I'm a nurse and frankly this frustrated the crap out of me and is a big reason why I left bedside nursing fairly early on. I was a Hopkins grad, worked in a university teaching hospital and was taking orders from 21 year old residents who knew nothing. YES, nurses are free to question orders and they are the eyes and the ears at the bedside and in critical care they function under a lot of standing orders (If XYZ, do ABC) which gives more autonomy than floor nursing but ultimately as an RN in a hospital you are not making the decisions or calling the shots. You are following the orders and the decision-making process of another person and may times that person is an idiot.
Indeed, wanting more autonomy and wanting to be qualified to take that responsibility is a common reason for nurses to go to medical school.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 21:55
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Nurse executive here. No one cares where you went to school unless your goal is to get a PhD and do nursing research. Hospitals have a set scale that is based on experience. The pay is what it is.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 15:49
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
I'm a nurse and frankly this frustrated the crap out of me and is a big reason why I left bedside nursing fairly early on. I was a Hopkins grad, worked in a university teaching hospital and was taking orders from 21 year old residents who knew nothing. YES, nurses are free to question orders and they are the eyes and the ears at the bedside and in critical care they function under a lot of standing orders (If XYZ, do ABC) which gives more autonomy than floor nursing but ultimately as an RN in a hospital you are not making the decisions or calling the shots. You are following the orders and the decision-making process of another person and may times that person is an idiot.
Thank you. Glad you saw the light. A lot of nurse wannabes here pretending this is not the case.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 15:20
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
The Doctor drives the Garbage truck and the nurses pick up the garbage. We get it big shot.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 15:11
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
I'm a nurse and frankly this frustrated the crap out of me and is a big reason why I left bedside nursing fairly early on. I was a Hopkins grad, worked in a university teaching hospital and was taking orders from 21 year old residents who knew nothing. YES, nurses are free to question orders and they are the eyes and the ears at the bedside and in critical care they function under a lot of standing orders (If XYZ, do ABC) which gives more autonomy than floor nursing but ultimately as an RN in a hospital you are not making the decisions or calling the shots. You are following the orders and the decision-making process of another person and may times that person is an idiot.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 14:51
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
What? Again it's a team. Nurses use their education and clinical skills to care for patients. Doctors write orders. The pharmacists, nurses, physical therapists, nutritionists all have the ability and responsibility to ask about them. The nurse is with the patient in the hospital more than anyone else. The doctor isn't the person who knows how to use the IV pump on the MRI machine...these attitudes are exhausting. May you never need medical care.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 12:55
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
“ In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant.”
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
You do what the doctor says. If you disagree with the doctor, the doctor’s opinion will prevail. Yes, you are subservient, and should be.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 12:46
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
In a hospital setting, nurses do not work for doctors. they work for the hospital. Nurses are not subserviant. As another poster mentioned, healthcare is a team sport - and that is part of the reason it is an awesome field. Hospitals will often have a director of nursing. That person typically has a doctorate. There is often a director of medicine.
A BSN matters and will open up jobs that an associates degree won't. But there are many ways to complete a BSN after earning an associate's degree.
Pick the program right for you. As in other majors, doing well will matter if you want to go to graduate school.
A BSN matters and will open up jobs that an associates degree won't. But there are many ways to complete a BSN after earning an associate's degree.
Pick the program right for you. As in other majors, doing well will matter if you want to go to graduate school.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 07:51
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.
^Yes.
School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).
In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.
True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.
Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.
Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?
DP. I am a physician who went to an ivy undergrad and a Top3 med school and T10 residency. At all of those hospital systems there are heads of nursing such as chief nursing officer or head of education, who typically have a phD in nursing or at least a masters. These places are top medical centers in the country. 70% of them did BSN at highly ranked program (ie Emory, Penn, Hopkins, NYU or Duke(accelerated BSN requires a bachelors in another field first so not an undergrad program). These women were the top of their game, truly impressive individuals, who had earned the respect of doctors and admins alike.
Nurses can also make $$$$ in surgical equipment sales, insurance, pharmaceuticals, or moving on to being practitioners or CRNAs. The school you go to DOES matter for many of the same reasons it matters for any other field. Going to Penn or Hopkins is going to a vastly different experience, and filled with different types of students than is you go to community college and get your associate’s degree/RN.
I feel sorry for your kids.
Also, your disdain for nurses shows when you seem to think the alternative to going to Penn or Hopkins is 'going to community college and get your associate's degree'. Most DC area hospitals require BSN prepared nurses.
Distain for nurses? What are you talking about? Of course there are benefits to going to a better school, regardless of major.
1000x yes. True across all majors /career fields. Not every parent or student puts saving $ at the top of the list for selecting a college. Selection for peer group and possibilities at the better schools is valid. For the least wealthy families the top schools can be free, but even for those of us who are full pay we may encourage fit over $
Anonymous
07/22/2025 06:21
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
If you have the funds to throw at a nursing degree from a prestigious school or will get a ton of financial aid, sure, go for it. For the majority of the people, though, it doesn't matter.
Anonymous
07/22/2025 01:06
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.
^Yes.
School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).
In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.
True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.
Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.
Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?
DP. I am a physician who went to an ivy undergrad and a Top3 med school and T10 residency. At all of those hospital systems there are heads of nursing such as chief nursing officer or head of education, who typically have a phD in nursing or at least a masters. These places are top medical centers in the country. 70% of them did BSN at highly ranked program (ie Emory, Penn, Hopkins, NYU or Duke(accelerated BSN requires a bachelors in another field first so not an undergrad program). These women were the top of their game, truly impressive individuals, who had earned the respect of doctors and admins alike.
Nurses can also make $$$$ in surgical equipment sales, insurance, pharmaceuticals, or moving on to being practitioners or CRNAs. The school you go to DOES matter for many of the same reasons it matters for any other field. Going to Penn or Hopkins is going to a vastly different experience, and filled with different types of students than is you go to community college and get your associate’s degree/RN.
I feel sorry for your kids.
Also, your disdain for nurses shows when you seem to think the alternative to going to Penn or Hopkins is 'going to community college and get your associate's degree'. Most DC area hospitals require BSN prepared nurses.
Distain for nurses? What are you talking about? Of course there are benefits to going to a better school, regardless of major.
Anonymous
07/21/2025 21:30
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.
^Yes.
School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).
In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.
True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.
Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.
Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?
DP. I am a physician who went to an ivy undergrad and a Top3 med school and T10 residency. At all of those hospital systems there are heads of nursing such as chief nursing officer or head of education, who typically have a phD in nursing or at least a masters. These places are top medical centers in the country. 70% of them did BSN at highly ranked program (ie Emory, Penn, Hopkins, NYU or Duke(accelerated BSN requires a bachelors in another field first so not an undergrad program). These women were the top of their game, truly impressive individuals, who had earned the respect of doctors and admins alike.
Nurses can also make $$$$ in surgical equipment sales, insurance, pharmaceuticals, or moving on to being practitioners or CRNAs. The school you go to DOES matter for many of the same reasons it matters for any other field. Going to Penn or Hopkins is going to a vastly different experience, and filled with different types of students than is you go to community college and get your associate’s degree/RN.
I feel sorry for your kids.
Also, your disdain for nurses shows when you seem to think the alternative to going to Penn or Hopkins is 'going to community college and get your associate's degree'. Most DC area hospitals require BSN prepared nurses.
Anonymous
07/21/2025 21:27
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Dr. Regina Cunningham received her BSN from College of St Vincent
Kevin Sowers received his BSN from Capital University Schol of Nursing
I'm not trying to minimize them in any way but neither of these two accomplished nurse executives started out at Penn or Hopkins.
Kevin Sowers received his BSN from Capital University Schol of Nursing
I'm not trying to minimize them in any way but neither of these two accomplished nurse executives started out at Penn or Hopkins.
Anonymous
07/21/2025 20:26
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.
^Yes.
School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).
In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.
True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.
Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.
Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?
Three hospitals in Philly are run by Penn nursing grads including the Penn Hospital, Children’s Hospital and the Philly Veteran’s hospital.
Also, UCLA and Hopkins Medical Center CEOs have nursing degrees.
What do you mean these hospitals are "run' by Penn nursing grads? What positions are you talking about?
I'm not finding these people.
And Hopkins Medicine is run by Redonda Miller who is an MD.
CEO of Penn Hospital is not an RN: https://www.thedp.com/article/2023/11/penn-medicine-alicia-gresham-ceo-pennsylvania-hospital
I just googled and found an article.
Regina Cunningham is CEO of Penn Hospital…Madeline Bell is CEO of CHoP…Karen Flaherty is CEO of Philly VA hospital.
From University City to Memorial Healthcare System in Florida, where three out of six hospitals are now run by nurse CEOs, to Johns Hopkins, where a former oncology nurse serves as president of the health system, to hospitals and health systems of all sizes throughout the country, nurses like Cunningham, Bell, and Flaherty-Oxler are increasingly landing at the top of the org chart.
Unless she is lying in her official resume which would be bizarre:
Dr. Cunningham is an accomplished nurse executive, scientist, and educator who has made significant contributions to advancing nursing practice and clinical care. Cunningham is currently Chief Executive Officer at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and Adjunct Professor and Assistant Dean for Clinical
Anonymous
07/21/2025 20:19
Subject: Prestigious nursing programs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.
^Yes.
School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).
In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.
True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.
Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.
Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?
DP. I am a physician who went to an ivy undergrad and a Top3 med school and T10 residency. At all of those hospital systems there are heads of nursing such as chief nursing officer or head of education, who typically have a phD in nursing or at least a masters. These places are top medical centers in the country. 70% of them did BSN at highly ranked program (ie Emory, Penn, Hopkins, NYU or Duke(accelerated BSN requires a bachelors in another field first so not an undergrad program). These women were the top of their game, truly impressive individuals, who had earned the respect of doctors and admins alike.
Nurses can also make $$$$ in surgical equipment sales, insurance, pharmaceuticals, or moving on to being practitioners or CRNAs. The school you go to DOES matter for many of the same reasons it matters for any other field. Going to Penn or Hopkins is going to a vastly different experience, and filled with different types of students than is you go to community college and get your associate’s degree/RN.