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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

Exactly. The criticism of the CB starter is way off mark and made by people who clearly don't understand a thing about real swimming or officiating. The CB starter is one of the most experienced starters out there and officiates at the highest-level PVS championship meets. Standing the field is REQUIRED if there are fidgety kids or kids moving at the start. That's the rule. The reason is moving at the start conveys a starting advantage, and it's also not fair to the kids who are already set to make them wait or hold a position just so the fidgety kid in the heat can get set. The starter was doing his job as he should. If your young or inexperienced kid was thrown, then you or your coaches need to do a better job preparing the kids. This is the sport.

Hilarious take. I know more about swimming and officiating than you’ve forgotten. You do NOT treat 8 year olds like champion swimmers to assuage your own ego and exert control. He was lucky it didn’t cause more chaos.

Ummm all of you NVSL crazies treat 8 year olds like they are champion swimmers and demand nothing less from the officials. GMAFB.

PP sounds like someone who thinks rules should not apply to 8 year olds. That doesn’t help them learn. And chaos? That’s what summer swim is all about. If you can’t keep a sense of humor about all of it, even at the end of season meets, you don’t belong in summer league.

Sounds like PP has an 8 year old who didn’t swim as well as they (the parent) wanted and they are bitter. Move on with your summer!

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

Exactly. The criticism of the CB starter is way off mark and made by people who clearly don't understand a thing about real swimming or officiating. The CB starter is one of the most experienced starters out there and officiates at the highest-level PVS championship meets. Standing the field is REQUIRED if there are fidgety kids or kids moving at the start. That's the rule. The reason is moving at the start conveys a starting advantage, and it's also not fair to the kids who are already set to make them wait or hold a position just so the fidgety kid in the heat can get set. The starter was doing his job as he should. If your young or inexperienced kid was thrown, then you or your coaches need to do a better job preparing the kids. This is the sport.

Hilarious take. I know more about swimming and officiating than you’ve forgotten. You do NOT treat 8 year olds like champion swimmers to assuage your own ego and exert control. He was lucky it didn’t cause more chaos.

DP and I bet I know even more than you. And the PP is exactly right. Tell us, what happens if there is movement in a lane right after the starter says “take your marks”, and the starter doesn’t stand the heat? What will the ref say to the starter? And what should the starter’s response be?

Anonymous wrote:the starter at divisional was not from cb

CB stands for Chesterbrook and yes he was from Chesterbrook. The ref was from Tuckahoe for the first half.

Both very experienced.

The second half officials were also great!

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

Exactly. The criticism of the CB starter is way off mark and made by people who clearly don't understand a thing about real swimming or officiating. The CB starter is one of the most experienced starters out there and officiates at the highest-level PVS championship meets. Standing the field is REQUIRED if there are fidgety kids or kids moving at the start. That's the rule. The reason is moving at the start conveys a starting advantage, and it's also not fair to the kids who are already set to make them wait or hold a position just so the fidgety kid in the heat can get set. The starter was doing his job as he should. If your young or inexperienced kid was thrown, then you or your coaches need to do a better job preparing the kids. This is the sport.

Hilarious take. I know more about swimming and officiating than you’ve forgotten. You do NOT treat 8 year olds like champion swimmers to assuage your own ego and exert control. He was lucky it didn’t cause more chaos.

Ummm all of you NVSL crazies treat 8 year olds like they are champion swimmers and demand nothing less from the officials. GMAFB.

the starter at divisional was not from cb

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

Exactly. The criticism of the CB starter is way off mark and made by people who clearly don't understand a thing about real swimming or officiating. The CB starter is one of the most experienced starters out there and officiates at the highest-level PVS championship meets. Standing the field is REQUIRED if there are fidgety kids or kids moving at the start. That's the rule. The reason is moving at the start conveys a starting advantage, and it's also not fair to the kids who are already set to make them wait or hold a position just so the fidgety kid in the heat can get set. The starter was doing his job as he should. If your young or inexperienced kid was thrown, then you or your coaches need to do a better job preparing the kids. This is the sport.

Hilarious take. I know more about swimming and officiating than you’ve forgotten. You do NOT treat 8 year olds like champion swimmers to assuage your own ego and exert control. He was lucky it didn’t cause more chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

Exactly. The criticism of the CB starter is way off mark and made by people who clearly don't understand a thing about real swimming or officiating. The CB starter is one of the most experienced starters out there and officiates at the highest-level PVS championship meets. Standing the field is REQUIRED if there are fidgety kids or kids moving at the start. That's the rule. The reason is moving at the start conveys a starting advantage, and it's also not fair to the kids who are already set to make them wait or hold a position just so the fidgety kid in the heat can get set. The starter was doing his job as he should. If your young or inexperienced kid was thrown, then you or your coaches need to do a better job preparing the kids. This is the sport.

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

There was only one false start but there were too many stands. Not sure if your rep mentioned that or not.

You want to give everyone a good start, but you also want there to be a rhythm so the kids have a fair and equitable chance like the heat in front of them or around the league which is what you are comparing times to on that one given day. Don’t get me started on that process how one race determines your All Star chance.

When you stand and hold kids it messes with the rhythm. Give them the time to stop wiggling then push the button. Don’t just stand them to stand them.

I was at the meet and there was also a lot of crowd noise that could have contributed to the stands. I think he did the best he could, but could keep polishing his skills just like all of us.

He’s not polishing his skills. He’s been counseled by the Div Coordinator before for this exact issue and he is not supposed to working higher level meets (and is specifically barred from the CB-T dual meet). The crowd noise was groaning when he took over before breaststroke and immediately iced the 8U boys twice.

In NVSL division coordinators have the deciding say in which officials work at Divisionals. (The teams recommend their officials, and sometimes the officials of other teams, but then the division coordinator makes the final decisions). So it makes no sense that the division coordinator thought the starter shouldn't work at higher level meets, and they were the starter at divisionals.

He had to cave and let him start because CB hosted.

This is just plainly not true. This starter has NOT been "counseled" and had no need to be. No division coordinator needed to "cave" and let him start. Stop spreading lies.

Plus, this starter is very well-respected and has worked many higher level meets (winter swim club championship meets). So, with all due respect, unless you have read the rulebook and completed the necessary training to become a starter, you shouldn't be critiquing his starting. If he stands the field, that's because the swimmers are not properly set, not because he is purposely trying to "ice" kids.

Also, it's summer swim. Teach your kids to get set, then you can complain. And lastly, it's not like people are vying for the starter position -- he is sacrificing his time, spending hours in the hot sun under the scrutiny of all you parents to give kids from six different pools a fun and competitive meet. Can you say the same? Just some thoughts.

We joined one of the D1 pools and my kids joined swim team not having a clue about any of this. Didn’t even know they were D1. Before the first meet, an intrateam scrimmage, my son was throwing up in the bathroom from nerves. I just wanted him to be a good swimmer and have fun. I had no idea!

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

There was only one false start but there were too many stands. Not sure if your rep mentioned that or not.

You want to give everyone a good start, but you also want there to be a rhythm so the kids have a fair and equitable chance like the heat in front of them or around the league which is what you are comparing times to on that one given day. Don’t get me started on that process how one race determines your All Star chance.

When you stand and hold kids it messes with the rhythm. Give them the time to stop wiggling then push the button. Don’t just stand them to stand them.

I was at the meet and there was also a lot of crowd noise that could have contributed to the stands. I think he did the best he could, but could keep polishing his skills just like all of us.

He’s not polishing his skills. He’s been counseled by the Div Coordinator before for this exact issue and he is not supposed to working higher level meets (and is specifically barred from the CB-T dual meet). The crowd noise was groaning when he took over before breaststroke and immediately iced the 8U boys twice.

In NVSL division coordinators have the deciding say in which officials work at Divisionals. (The teams recommend their officials, and sometimes the officials of other teams, but then the division coordinator makes the final decisions). So it makes no sense that the division coordinator thought the starter shouldn't work at higher level meets, and they were the starter at divisionals.

He had to cave and let him start because CB hosted.

What?!? Manor Woods hosted divisionals, not CB. It was at the Manor Woods pool and their parents hosted it. You’re not making any sense.

I think CB means Chesterbrook. NVSL D1 host.

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

There was only one false start but there were too many stands. Not sure if your rep mentioned that or not.

You want to give everyone a good start, but you also want there to be a rhythm so the kids have a fair and equitable chance like the heat in front of them or around the league which is what you are comparing times to on that one given day. Don’t get me started on that process how one race determines your All Star chance.

When you stand and hold kids it messes with the rhythm. Give them the time to stop wiggling then push the button. Don’t just stand them to stand them.

I was at the meet and there was also a lot of crowd noise that could have contributed to the stands. I think he did the best he could, but could keep polishing his skills just like all of us.

He’s not polishing his skills. He’s been counseled by the Div Coordinator before for this exact issue and he is not supposed to working higher level meets (and is specifically barred from the CB-T dual meet). The crowd noise was groaning when he took over before breaststroke and immediately iced the 8U boys twice.

In NVSL division coordinators have the deciding say in which officials work at Divisionals. (The teams recommend their officials, and sometimes the officials of other teams, but then the division coordinator makes the final decisions). So it makes no sense that the division coordinator thought the starter shouldn't work at higher level meets, and they were the starter at divisionals.

He had to cave and let him start because CB hosted.

What?!? Manor Woods hosted divisionals, not CB. It was at the Manor Woods pool and their parents hosted it. You’re not making any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The notorious CB starter who was at it again this morning at Divisionals. Repeatedly icing kids for no reason and risking false starts.

Yet another parent who knows nothing about swimming. According to our rep, there was one false start the entire meet. Starters can't control whether swimmers are properly set. If you don't like the starter, why don't you spend the hours it takes to get certified, get the practice starts in, and then convince your division coordinator to appoint you. Otherwise, you should STFU and stop maligning volunteers who are only trying to give every kid a fair start. You are part of the reason teams have trouble finding volunteers....

There was only one false start but there were too many stands. Not sure if your rep mentioned that or not.

You want to give everyone a good start, but you also want there to be a rhythm so the kids have a fair and equitable chance like the heat in front of them or around the league which is what you are comparing times to on that one given day. Don’t get me started on that process how one race determines your All Star chance.

When you stand and hold kids it messes with the rhythm. Give them the time to stop wiggling then push the button. Don’t just stand them to stand them.

I was at the meet and there was also a lot of crowd noise that could have contributed to the stands. I think he did the best he could, but could keep polishing his skills just like all of us.

He’s not polishing his skills. He’s been counseled by the Div Coordinator before for this exact issue and he is not supposed to working higher level meets (and is specifically barred from the CB-T dual meet). The crowd noise was groaning when he took over before breaststroke and immediately iced the 8U boys twice.

In NVSL division coordinators have the deciding say in which officials work at Divisionals. (The teams recommend their officials, and sometimes the officials of other teams, but then the division coordinator makes the final decisions). So it makes no sense that the division coordinator thought the starter shouldn't work at higher level meets, and they were the starter at divisionals.

He had to cave and let him start because CB hosted.