Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the shoes. Why leave your shoes on the deck and walk around barefoot on the ship? The rest of her shoes were accounted for. If she had used the small table to hoist herself up if she wanted to lean further over to throw up, wouldn’t the table have fallen over if her foot slipped and she fell over? Does anyone know if the table was found upright? I guess we won’t know since the cleaning people cleaned the cabin but did they touch the deck? Anyway-she wasn’t trafficked. She leaned too far out either to take a photo or bc she was sick. I feel for the parents but they seem to have created an entire story in their heads.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OH! And the Dad saw her out there alone around 5:45 am. Why wouldn't he ask her to come in? Such an odd family and something is off.
Agree I found that odd. Why didn’t he go and say good morning or see if she wanted to come inside and get into bed? I wouldn’t have left my grown daughter on the balcony at the crack of dawn. Then he said “something” then woke him up-I think it was her falling. Maybe the table moved when it happened but that’s when he said she was no longer there. So did he drift back off to sleep between 5:45 and 6:30? The timeline is very strange.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OH! And the Dad saw her out there alone around 5:45 am. Why wouldn't he ask her to come in? Such an odd family and something is off.
Agree I found that odd. Why didn’t he go and say good morning or see if she wanted to come inside and get into bed? I wouldn’t have left my grown daughter on the balcony at the crack of dawn. Then he said “something” then woke him up-I think it was her falling. Maybe the table moved when it happened but that’s when he said she was no longer there. So did he drift back off to sleep between 5:45 and 6:30? The timeline is very strange.
Anonymous wrote:OH! And the Dad saw her out there alone around 5:45 am. Why wouldn't he ask her to come in? Such an odd family and something is off.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you speculating she was kidnapped and somehow taken off the boat and living in an island?
There’s no way that happened.
If you’ve cruised, you know they tightly control who gets on and off—including crew. They scan your card and match a photo to each person before they exit. No way anyone could just walk off.
Snd fell off, jumped off, or was pushed off. Those are the only 3 options.
Have you actually watched all 3 episodes of the documentary?
Have you actually walked on or off a cruise ship? There’s one exit and they scan your card and match the picture on file with the person. Nobody gets on or off without the cruise line knowing. It’s just not possible.
There are other ways to exit a cruise ship.
Correct.
You can jump, or fall, or be pushed.
But no, you cannot exit a ship in port without going through the secure exit. While they have a loading dock, there’s no way a passenger could go that route.
Plus, if you want to kidnap and traffic someone (a white lady), then you kidnap them at a resort…not on a cruise ship where it’s impossible to get off the ship unnoticed.
Sadly, a lot of people jump off ships to kill themselves…and their families are always shocked. Some woman did it within the last year. Her relatives weren’t that surprised actually.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.
This.
This makes the most sense.
If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.
I think it’s very likely that she ended up in the ocean, but the door leading from the balcony into the cabin was left 10-14” open, per Amy’s dad. Either she or her brother had left it open. Her dad also says “something” awoke him around 6am. The something could have been Amy exiting the cabin into a hallway. There were young women on the ship who had spent time talking to Amy and claim they saw her take an elevator going up with Yellow (the musician) around 6am, but only Yellow came back down.
I’m not convinced she was smuggled off the ship, but there is no way that a scan card system is infallible. Shit happens and there isn’t 100% compliance with official procedures. A crew member would know how to sneak people or things off the ship.
The timeline isn’t exact.
And there tend to be a decent number of crew and passengers up and about at 6am (especially on a port day).
I think those girls might have seen them together earlier. Maybe.
But how could they see them going off together and him returning alone? Were they just parked by the elevator?
If that was the case, it would point towards a sexual assault and murder, not holding her prisoner someplace and finding a way to sneak her off a ship during a port day where they scan everyone getting off the boat.
I didn’t think it was an elevator. … The two girls said after they left the bar they weren’t quite ready to go to bed so they went up on the top deck to hang out. They claim they saw Amy and Yellow walking around there, but remember this was in the middle of the night after drinking and they didn’t know Amy personally.
Anonymous wrote:When they had the crew search the entire ship, they were each responsible for searching their own private cabins, so if she was drugged by a crew member and being kept in their cabin until they could sneak her off the ship, she wouldn’t have been found during the search.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She was trafficked and killed
That just seems unlikely.
The crew member in the band basically would have risked his entire career as well as his freedom for what? To traffic one white girl? The risk isn’t worth the reward. He earned more with his 6 month cruise contract (that allowed him to not work the rest of the year) than potential cash for trafficking someone who very easily would stick out like a sore thumb on any island filled with people who aren’t white.
I’m still stumped as to why a lesbian who poured her heart out to a girl who ghosted her would hook up with an older black guy in the first place. Seems unlikely, which is why the theory of drugging her has caught on.
But remember the DC intern who went missing and everyone wanted to pin it on the elected official she was having an affair with? That theory didn’t make sense either: risk wasn’t worth the reward (and it eventually came out that she was murdered by some random hood).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think she leaned over the balcony to throw up (not wanting to go inside the cabin and wake everybody or stink it up) and fell overboard. I don't think the Jas photo is her. Trafficking happens, but it's not middle class white ladies on cruise ships with their families.
This.
This makes the most sense.
If you’ve ever been in a cruise cabin, you know how small they are. The parents would be asleep in a bed between the balcony and bathroom. Opening the door would wake everyone up. It’s loud.
I think it’s very likely that she ended up in the ocean, but the door leading from the balcony into the cabin was left 10-14” open, per Amy’s dad. Either she or her brother had left it open. Her dad also says “something” awoke him around 6am. The something could have been Amy exiting the cabin into a hallway. There were young women on the ship who had spent time talking to Amy and claim they saw her take an elevator going up with Yellow (the musician) around 6am, but only Yellow came back down.
I’m not convinced she was smuggled off the ship, but there is no way that a scan card system is infallible. Shit happens and there isn’t 100% compliance with official procedures. A crew member would know how to sneak people or things off the ship.
The timeline isn’t exact.
And there tend to be a decent number of crew and passengers up and about at 6am (especially on a port day).
I think those girls might have seen them together earlier. Maybe.
But how could they see them going off together and him returning alone? Were they just parked by the elevator?
If that was the case, it would point towards a sexual assault and murder, not holding her prisoner someplace and finding a way to sneak her off a ship during a port day where they scan everyone getting off the boat.
I didn’t think it was an elevator. … The two girls said after they left the bar they weren’t quite ready to go to bed so they went up on the top deck to hang out. They claim they saw Amy and Yellow walking around there, but remember this was in the middle of the night after drinking and they didn’t know Amy personally.