Anonymous wrote:I am just really glad that my kids will not be in the early cohort of integrated math. I think it's going to be a tough transition -- there is no clear curriculum so either the state or MCPS will have to put one together. And it's not clear to me what comes after in any of the 4 paths (even the calc path -- folks on this thread can't agree on what they will do). I'm sorry for those of you with kids who will be in integrated math in the first couple of years after it is offered.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just really glad that my kids will not be in the early cohort of integrated math. I think it's going to be a tough transition -- there is no clear curriculum so either the state or MCPS will have to put one together. And it's not clear to me what comes after in any of the 4 paths (even the calc path -- folks on this thread can't agree on what they will do). I'm sorry for those of you with kids who will be in integrated math in the first couple of years after it is offered.

I agree. It's definitely going to be messy and unfortunately, MCPS struggles with mess and complexity. We're in for a doozy.

As we’ve said, its doesn’t have to be messy. 3yr integrated math curriculum already exist. They were already supposed to be evaluating the curriculum for advance classes like Pre-Cal.

Just take the 3yr integrated math. Figure out what needs to be removed to make the 2yr integrated math. Find a more complete Pre-Calculus curriculum, likely one that includes Trig.

In the interim, talk to state about the 3yr IM to see if you can offer both 2yr and 3yr.

Also in the meantime, start the 3yr IM path this year so kids and teacher can begin getting use to the new Illustrative math curriculum and we would actually have data on how student do on the Algebra MCAP after 2 or 3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just really glad that my kids will not be in the early cohort of integrated math. I think it's going to be a tough transition -- there is no clear curriculum so either the state or MCPS will have to put one together. And it's not clear to me what comes after in any of the 4 paths (even the calc path -- folks on this thread can't agree on what they will do). I'm sorry for those of you with kids who will be in integrated math in the first couple of years after it is offered.

I agree. It's definitely going to be messy and unfortunately, MCPS struggles with mess and complexity. We're in for a doozy.

Anonymous wrote:I am just really glad that my kids will not be in the early cohort of integrated math. I think it's going to be a tough transition -- there is no clear curriculum so either the state or MCPS will have to put one together. And it's not clear to me what comes after in any of the 4 paths (even the calc path -- folks on this thread can't agree on what they will do). I'm sorry for those of you with kids who will be in integrated math in the first couple of years after it is offered.

Anonymous wrote:I am just really glad that my kids will not be in the early cohort of integrated math. I think it's going to be a tough transition -- there is no clear curriculum so either the state or MCPS will have to put one together. And it's not clear to me what comes after in any of the 4 paths (even the calc path -- folks on this thread can't agree on what they will do). I'm sorry for those of you with kids who will be in integrated math in the first couple of years after it is offered.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting a new thread in response to the back-and-forth we had on the GT programs thread re the new integrated math sequence.

Background: The state is requiring a new math sequence starting with the 2027-2028 school year. Instead of Algebra 1, Geometry, and Algebra 2, they will require Integrated Algebra 1 and Integrated Algebra 2 based on some, but not all, of the standards from the three-course sequence. The thought is that many kids don't go onto calculus and therefore don't need all the standards to prepare for pre-calculus. Those who don't take pre-calculus will take Integrated Algebra 2 (presumably sophomore year) and then take two non-calculus courses for the next two years (say, stats and financial mathematics).

Those who are on the calculus track need a third course to learn the standards needed to succeed in pre-calc. Many already have problems with precalc after the current three-course sequence; they will do even worse if only two courses are offered.

MCPS will have to create its own Integrated Math 3 course and add in the missing standards so that students will succeed. However, it's not simple -- there are currently three-year integrated math curricula on the market because integrated algebra tends to be offered as a three-year sequence. There is even one from Illustrative Mathematics. None of these curricula, however, align neatly with the standards that the state will have covered in the first two years of the integrated math sequence.

With a kid who suffered through C2.0, I am very wary of MCPS writing its own curriculum, and I am not sure that Illustrative Mathematics would want to create a curriculum aligned with the state requirements. MCPS and the state just aren't big enough markets to warrant this investment -- it's not like MD is leading the way on this and other states will follow.

They can offer an accelerated/enriched Honors PreCalc for those doing well in Integrated Algebra 1 & 2 (and, perhaps, on the new state test at the end of IA2) that fills in the missing bits, like some of Trig. For those not flying through but wanting to pursue the Calc pathway defined by the state, they can offer the bridge course you mention leading to a following-year PreCalc (AP or otherwise). Either should allow for a student then to take it slower with AP Calc AB, followed by Calc BC if a year remains) or more directly with AP Calc BC (AB is not necessary to take before this), followed by MVC if a year remains.

None of the 3-year off-the-shelf Integrated Algebra curricula are likely to comport with the standards mandated by MSDE for Integrated Algebra over 2 years.

Not all schools have MV.

Yup, but they will need to.

Not necessarily. Our school has been clear they will not have it and you have to go to MC or go without.

This is why the outcome of the Program Analysis needs to include MVC as a standard offering. Acceleration by 2 years heading into Algebra is and has been available across the county. Even before any shift to a 2-year Integrated Algebra sequence, a STEM-oriented "Calc path" at all high schools should be available as:

7th Algebra 1 (in MS)
8th Geometry (in MS)
9th Algebra 2
10th PreCalculus
11th AP Calculus BC
12th Multivariable Calculus

It doesn't meet need to force, unnecessarily, AB before BC for those capable when the latter encompasses the former or to fail to offer MVC immediately after BC to ensure conceptual/learning continuity (e.g., suggesting a student take Stats, instead). Some high schools clearly understand this and offer MVC. It isn't equitable if some do and others don't.

Of course, if they guarantee admission to the regional STEM magnet for any on that path in 7th/8th who might want it, they can reserve the teaching of MVC just to those magnets.

Well, they're going to have to figure something out because the state is requiring that all proficient math students be offered Algebra 1 no later than 8th grade, and since it will be a 2 year sequence they will finish that in 9th grade. So 3 years of post-IA math classes will be the standard for a large fraction of kids.

Isn’t that what the Data Analytics, Statistics, etc piece is about? That seems like there will be business/CS classes that will be allowed for math credit. I’ve always thought they should allowed Econ to count as either a Math or SS course.

Econ is not allowed for graduation.

HS Econ doesn't have a lot of high level math. It shouldn't replace a math class, especially if someone is interested in Econ. - AP Macro/Micro teacher

Data Analysis doesn't have to include a lot of higher level math, particularly depending on the data. It can be more SQL, drawing inferences from the data, and basic algebra/stats. But yet MSDE is saying that is what kids could pursue after Integrated Math. If that's the case, why would AP Macro/Micro not count?