Anonymous
07/17/2025 09:14
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.
This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.
It absolutely happened .... thank God the parent had a backbone, told the coach they need to follow the ladder for this individual event and their child wasn't going to sacrifice their earned slot to make another kid feel better, and then called the other team rep (not the parent of one who would have benefitted) and complained.
All of us are now wondering: is there an official NVSL policy about decisions on divisionals? Could a coach put a slower kid into divisionals in the name of boosting opportunities for all on the team or showing team rep kid they believe in him despite dq?
On our team the coach calls the swimmers over in groups to work down the ladder (example: 9-10 girls, 8u boys, etc).
I heard one of the other girls guilt her friend not to pick an event so that she could swim it. The girl being guilted could have chosen any event for the most part except for one and this 10 year old stood there telling her not to pick her favorite stroke because then she would be sad and couldn’t swim.
I know there’s no perfect system here, but it’s sad to see swimmers get so emotionally invested in something like this that they put themselves over their friends. If there were cut times everyone who qualified could go but yes, then the meet would run way longer!
On the flip side of that coin we have a swimmer who is all star in almost all strokes but picked events to knock out the kids that were closest in her times and most likely to break her records.
I don’t this. Your kid has the team record. She’s also picking higher so has a better time than the third place swimmer on the team this season. But she’s so concerned about the third place swimmer breaking her record that she chose an event where she’s not as competitive at all stars? Unless your team is stacked with three swimmers all basically even at the team record I don’t get it. Even if that’s the case the second place swimmer who’s still in the race is a threat to the record
I'm sure the recordholder is confident she can beat#2 in a head to head race, but isn't confident that#2 racing #3 won't end in one of them breaking her record. If you care about records more than all stars (which is my kid for sure too) it's the smart move.
There are still a bunch of details missing for your logic to fit. Divisionals has multiple heats. Unless her team is dominant with three swimmers in the event who would be in the first heat if entered (and we know the third swimmer with the worst time is the one she considers the threat) then then #2 & #3 might not even swim head to head. I’ll agree it’s possible but there are big holes in the argument, including not knowing who the other teams are entering and how the heats will divide.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:42
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Wow! I’ve been told we’re not getting our meet sheet til tomorrow afternoon!
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:25
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.
This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.
So it happened meet sheet is out and they put #4 kid in event in instead of #3 kid ... #3 kid would have been 4th seed in this event, they moved him to IM where he's 10th seed....
Family is livid and feels like they have no recourse. Who can they approach/appeal to?
MCSL or league where Divisionals is worth team points: nothing. The coach can do what they like to maximize points.
NVSL: Find a new team for next season unless coach/team rep are changing over. That's toxic and won't get better.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:03
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.
Wow! Our seeding was last night (Wednesday). I would not expect anything until later today. They are on top of things too. We are a host pool, so our reps are very busy.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 00:44
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.
Impressive!
Which division?
Anonymous
07/17/2025 00:29
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.
Impressive!
Anonymous
07/17/2025 00:23
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 00:22
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.
This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.
So it happened meet sheet is out and they put #4 kid in event in instead of #3 kid ... #3 kid would have been 4th seed in this event, they moved him to IM where he's 10th seed....
Family is livid and feels like they have no recourse. Who can they approach/appeal to?
Your division has already completed the seeding meeting?
Anonymous
07/17/2025 00:13
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Where is the heat sheet?
Anonymous
07/16/2025 23:30
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.
This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.
So it happened meet sheet is out and they put #4 kid in event in instead of #3 kid ... #3 kid would have been 4th seed in this event, they moved him to IM where he's 10th seed....
Family is livid and feels like they have no recourse. Who can they approach/appeal to?
Anonymous
07/16/2025 22:51
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It does not make any sense why the coach wouldn’t pick the lineup. Put the top 2 in each stroke. If someone is top 2 in everything, the coach can pick which stroke to use a backup on.
No need for parents or swimmers to have any say in this matter.
Hard disagree on this. It is individual divisionals and individual all stars. No need for the coach to make those decisions. It should completely be up to the swimmer, with consultation — only as allowed by the swimmer — with the family, coach, neighbor’s dog, my cat, my mom’s grandma, etc.
Is there no team score at your divisionals? What is the point of the meet if that is the case. Sounds like a looney tunes league you are in.
No. In the NVSL, the team score comes from five A meets, Divisional Relay Carnival, and All Star Relays. Individual divisionals is individual only, as is IAS (individual all stars).
Anonymous
07/16/2025 22:43
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It does not make any sense why the coach wouldn’t pick the lineup. Put the top 2 in each stroke. If someone is top 2 in everything, the coach can pick which stroke to use a backup on.
No need for parents or swimmers to have any say in this matter.
Hard disagree on this. It is individual divisionals and individual all stars. No need for the coach to make those decisions. It should completely be up to the swimmer, with consultation — only as allowed by the swimmer — with the family, coach, neighbor’s dog, my cat, my mom’s grandma, etc.
Is there no team score at your divisionals? What is the point of the meet if that is the case. Sounds like a looney tunes league you are in.
Division Individual Championships. How hard is that to understand? It’s not a misnomer.
Anonymous
07/16/2025 22:41
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It does not make any sense why the coach wouldn’t pick the lineup. Put the top 2 in each stroke. If someone is top 2 in everything, the coach can pick which stroke to use a backup on.
No need for parents or swimmers to have any say in this matter.
Hard disagree on this. It is individual divisionals and individual all stars. No need for the coach to make those decisions. It should completely be up to the swimmer, with consultation — only as allowed by the swimmer — with the family, coach, neighbor’s dog, my cat, my mom’s grandma, etc.
Is there no team score at your divisionals? What is the point of the meet if that is the case. Sounds like a looney tunes league you are in.
Anonymous
07/16/2025 22:02
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.
This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....
I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.
It absolutely happened .... thank God the parent had a backbone, told the coach they need to follow the ladder for this individual event and their child wasn't going to sacrifice their earned slot to make another kid feel better, and then called the other team rep (not the parent of one who would have benefitted) and complained.
All of us are now wondering: is there an official NVSL policy about decisions on divisionals? Could a coach put a slower kid into divisionals in the name of boosting opportunities for all on the team or showing team rep kid they believe in him despite dq?
On our team the coach calls the swimmers over in groups to work down the ladder (example: 9-10 girls, 8u boys, etc).
I heard one of the other girls guilt her friend not to pick an event so that she could swim it. The girl being guilted could have chosen any event for the most part except for one and this 10 year old stood there telling her not to pick her favorite stroke because then she would be sad and couldn’t swim.
I know there’s no perfect system here, but it’s sad to see swimmers get so emotionally invested in something like this that they put themselves over their friends. If there were cut times everyone who qualified could go but yes, then the meet would run way longer!
On the flip side of that coin we have a swimmer who is all star in almost all strokes but picked events to knock out the kids that were closest in her times and most likely to break her records.
I don’t this. Your kid has the team record. She’s also picking higher so has a better time than the third place swimmer on the team this season. But she’s so concerned about the third place swimmer breaking her record that she chose an event where she’s not as competitive at all stars? Unless your team is stacked with three swimmers all basically even at the team record I don’t get it. Even if that’s the case the second place swimmer who’s still in the race is a threat to the record
I'm sure the recordholder is confident she can beat#2 in a head to head race, but isn't confident that#2 racing #3 won't end in one of them breaking her record. If you care about records more than all stars (which is my kid for sure too) it's the smart move.
Anonymous
07/16/2025 22:00
Subject: Do your coaches select the divisional events?
Anonymous wrote:
It does not make any sense why the coach wouldn’t pick the lineup. Put the top 2 in each stroke. If someone is top 2 in everything, the coach can pick which stroke to use a backup on.
No need for parents or swimmers to have any say in this matter.
Hard disagree on this. It is individual divisionals and individual all stars. No need for the coach to make those decisions. It should completely be up to the swimmer, with consultation — only as allowed by the swimmer — with the family, coach, neighbor’s dog, my cat, my mom’s grandma, etc.