Anonymous wrote:OP here. I appreciate this conversation about open curricula. To clear things up first, DC is not interested in this path to avoid either math or writing — the opposite, in fact. They do just fine in both disciplines and are having a hard time with the constraints of having to fit their academic curiosity into the parameters of a major. One thing they know is that engineering likely is not the path for them. And, they have brought up Brown, so mention of that school also is not off the mark. But we are being realistic about admissions — hence the question about building a balanced list and finding schools where acceptance is more reliable.

Wesleyan is a school we had briefly considered but not in depth. We are exploring it more thoroughly now and will add it to our “to visit” list. Thanks for the resounding suggestion of that and other open curriculum schools!

Thanks again for this discussion—I appreciate it!

I graduated from Wes almost 30 years ago and am kind of delighted to see that the core classes requirement remains exactly the same as it was back in the day!

I am a physician but majored (& did my thesis) in chemistry. I have very fond memories of most of the non-science classes I had to take at Wes - I think I took 1 extra class in each of the the non-science categories (so 4 “arts & humanities” and 4 “social and behavioral sciences” classes). I still think about those classes today: social psychology, a philosophy course on good and evil, intro to govt, sociology, prose writing, American art from ~1700-1945, and the plays of Ibsen and Shaw.

I also took maybe 40-50 science classes, so no problems hitting my “natural science and mathematics” quota.

I think that it was a high quality education, too. And my government prof apparently had a crystal ball, since in the early 90s he was really agitated about gerrymandering and the emerging influence of PACs, and, sadly, all of his concerns have come to pass.

One awesome thing about Wes is the lack of a foreign language requirement. I am simply terrible at memorizing and foreign languages, and it was a huge relief to not get stuck wasting time and making myself miserable by taking a foreign language.

Dear OP: I think there are some really great suggestions here. At this point, I'd have your child make a spreadsheet and research the common data set for each of the schools she is interested in learning more about.

The Common Data Set (CDS) for each institution can be used to populate all the fields that will be helpful:
# of undergrads
Acceptance rate
ED Acceptance rate (not all will separate this out)
Acceptance rate
-- break out by gender
-- many schools break this out the international which can help discerning the true acceptance rate for domestic students
ED, EA, RD

Major

this will really make things easier to parse. Good luck on your search!

Also, for safeties, check out Wheaton (MA) and Kalamazoo College. My D26 visited Kalamazoo this spring and it was very impressive- trimester system, lots of study abroad options and the students were very friendly and engaged. Right next door to WMU so it's a small tight-knit campus with the benefits of big football games, research libraries, etc very close by.

Anonymous wrote:College of Wooster
St Olaf
Oberlin
Macalester
Bard

+1
My DD looked closely at all but St. Olaf in this group and I think they are all
Sort of underrated gems. If your kid is committed to the LAC experience and is also aiming for some of the more “prestigious” names, these are great options at the target/likely level to round out the college list. Like most schools in this range they do value demonstrated interest, so you do have to engage if applying RD.

College of Wooster
St Olaf
Oberlin
Macalester
Bard

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

? As I said, I’m not the same poster as whoever else you’re referring to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with iPeds data.

I know what you haven’t read, though, which is this: https://www.middlebury.edu/announcements/announcements/2025/04/budget-our-way-forward#the-latest-figures

But everyone else can read it and draw the clear conclusions that the school’s own leadership clearly wants them to draw.

There are at least half a dozen posters who mention — as anyone would — Midd’s problems with over-enrollment the last 5 years (paying kids 10k not to attend), its budget issues, it’s not being forthright year after year about the intentionality behind the over-enrollment etc., its move to accept 70% of the class ED to change the proportion of full pay students, its sending kids for a first semester in Copenhagen, having kids live off campus at Bread Loaf, kids staying at the Inn at the Green, the huge profit loss of Midd schools abroad — let alone Monterey.

But the one, lone pro-Midd troll refuses to acknowledge any of this (unlike admissions officers, tour guides, or the Midd faculty and administration themselves), insults everyone, and goes right on trolling — thereby giving even more attention to these issues (unless the troll is some kind of Colby double agent and the point was to undermine Midd all along).

Now you are getting desperate because people are onto you.

Just stop, you are just embarrassing yourself.

If you are the gaslighting troll, it seems that you are the one embarrassing yourself.

The leadership at Middlebury is being transparent with the school’s ongoing deficit problem. No one is saying the school is going under, but there are adjustments which may impact the student experience.

It’s also true that they are admitting more in the ED round. So if you are a senior who really wants Middlebury, ED might be the best choice for you.

OP here, while I appreciate the suggestions of all schools for consideration, including Middlebury, can you please take this back and forth to the dedicated Middlebury post? It’s more useful for all interested people to find there. Thanks so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

? As I said, I’m not the same poster as whoever else you’re referring to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with iPeds data.

I know what you haven’t read, though, which is this: https://www.middlebury.edu/announcements/announcements/2025/04/budget-our-way-forward#the-latest-figures

But everyone else can read it and draw the clear conclusions that the school’s own leadership clearly wants them to draw.

There are at least half a dozen posters who mention — as anyone would — Midd’s problems with over-enrollment the last 5 years (paying kids 10k not to attend), its budget issues, it’s not being forthright year after year about the intentionality behind the over-enrollment etc., its move to accept 70% of the class ED to change the proportion of full pay students, its sending kids for a first semester in Copenhagen, having kids live off campus at Bread Loaf, kids staying at the Inn at the Green, the huge profit loss of Midd schools abroad — let alone Monterey.

But the one, lone pro-Midd troll refuses to acknowledge any of this (unlike admissions officers, tour guides, or the Midd faculty and administration themselves), insults everyone, and goes right on trolling — thereby giving even more attention to these issues (unless the troll is some kind of Colby double agent and the point was to undermine Midd all along).

Now you are getting desperate because people are onto you.

Just stop, you are just embarrassing yourself.

If you are the gaslighting troll, it seems that you are the one embarrassing yourself.

The leadership at Middlebury is being transparent with the school’s ongoing deficit problem. No one is saying the school is going under, but there are adjustments which may impact the student experience.

It’s also true that they are admitting more in the ED round. So if you are a senior who really wants Middlebury, ED might be the best choice for you.

Vassar was a great experience for our son. He developed rewarding relationships with his excellent professors and took a variety of interesting and challenging courses.

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

? As I said, I’m not the same poster as whoever else you’re referring to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with iPeds data.

I know what you haven’t read, though, which is this: https://www.middlebury.edu/announcements/announcements/2025/04/budget-our-way-forward#the-latest-figures

But everyone else can read it and draw the clear conclusions that the school’s own leadership clearly wants them to draw.

There are at least half a dozen posters who mention — as anyone would — Midd’s problems with over-enrollment the last 5 years (paying kids 10k not to attend), its budget issues, it’s not being forthright year after year about the intentionality behind the over-enrollment etc., its move to accept 70% of the class ED to change the proportion of full pay students, its sending kids for a first semester in Copenhagen, having kids live off campus at Bread Loaf, kids staying at the Inn at the Green, the huge profit loss of Midd schools abroad — let alone Monterey.

But the one, lone pro-Midd troll refuses to acknowledge any of this (unlike admissions officers, tour guides, or the Midd faculty and administration themselves), insults everyone, and goes right on trolling — thereby giving even more attention to these issues (unless the troll is some kind of Colby double agent and the point was to undermine Midd all along).

Now you are getting desperate because people are onto you.

Just stop, you are just embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

? As I said, I’m not the same poster as whoever else you’re referring to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with iPeds data.

I know what you haven’t read, though, which is this: https://www.middlebury.edu/announcements/announcements/2025/04/budget-our-way-forward#the-latest-figures

But everyone else can read it and draw the clear conclusions that the school’s own leadership clearly wants them to draw.

There are at least half a dozen posters who mention — as anyone would — Midd’s problems with over-enrollment the last 5 years (paying kids 10k not to attend), its budget issues, it’s not being forthright year after year about the intentionality behind the over-enrollment etc., its move to accept 70% of the class ED to change the proportion of full pay students, its sending kids for a first semester in Copenhagen, having kids live off campus at Bread Loaf, kids staying at the Inn at the Green, the huge profit loss of Midd schools abroad — let alone Monterey.

But the one, lone pro-Midd troll refuses to acknowledge any of this (unlike admissions officers, tour guides, or the Midd faculty and administration themselves), insults everyone, and goes right on trolling — thereby giving even more attention to these issues (unless the troll is some kind of Colby double agent and the point was to undermine Midd all along).

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

? As I said, I’m not the same poster as whoever else you’re referring to. I don’t know what you’re talking about with iPeds data.

I know what you haven’t read, though, which is this: https://www.middlebury.edu/announcements/announcements/2025/04/budget-our-way-forward#the-latest-figures

But everyone else can read it and draw the clear conclusions that the school’s own leadership clearly wants them to draw.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
DP.

It’s the same nonsense every time that you float into a useful discussion. Actually read the articles that you post, they don’t say what you wish they did.

lol at the iPeds data, the numbers don’t lie on enrollment.

And after you do that get help. You have some serious issues.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

Lol we’ve explained to you multiple times that you are taking a view that the school’s own administrators don’t take. Maybe ask yourself why you’re so dug in on this. And maybe contact the school and ask them to explain it to you in the simplest terms possible.
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OP here. Yes! Everyone has been incredibly helpful — with suggested schools, curricular paths, and ways to assess schools’ culture from afar. I do appreciate you all taking time to give recommendations and thoughts as we navigate these waters (and learn about ourselves in the process). I hope others also are able to find a few gems relevant to their own experience here as well!

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Anonymous wrote:Studious and collaborative, Bowdoin and Haverford.

I'd look at Amherst, Bowdoin, Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton plus Kenyon, Macalester and Lafayette for more likely admits (to have a full list). Middlebury was on my kids's list but they are having some money issues due to Monterey campus and have over admitted their incoming classes recently. Makes it harder to get classes according to our tour guide who was pre-med, so that fell off his list.

None of what you said about Middlebury is true except for the fact that they are discussing what to do about MIIS. Baucomb has committed to addressing MIIS within a year and likely sooner. I am sorry that your kid didn't get into Midd but if you persist I will bat you around as always.

Yes, they are having money issues at Middlebury. It's not a secret when you can easily find the letter from the leaders of the school outlining the budget shortfall. To those who want to know the reality, you can easily search for the letter the Interim President, CFO and Provost of Middlebury sent to faculty, staff and students on April 2, 2025 and read it for yourself. Try this phrase for your search engine: "Middlebury The Budget, Our Path Forward". The letter specifically addresses that since the pandemic they have decided to enroll more students and are looking at faculty cutbacks and the enrollment issues at the Monterey Institute.

Notable quotes:

"...we're projecting a $14.1 million deficit this fiscal year, notably higher than our $8.9 million projection from October."
"Our deficits are continually an outlier among our NESCAC peers, which all operate profitably..."

And the Editorial Board of the Campus Newspaper called for Middlebury to ditch the Monterey Campus on April 17, 2025.

Look, you're an idiot. We've been down this path before. Middlebury has no financial issues.

Middlebury has a small ongoing deficit, it is not a problem as much as it is an embarrassment. Patton wouldn't address it but the new President is because he is smart and doesn't want to become the owner of MIIS issues.

Middlebury overenrolled for a single year at the height of Covid and let the over enrollment play out over the following four years rather than reduce access. Middlebury is planning on expanding enrollment by 50-70 students in conjunction with their new dorm which is....50 beds larger.

Middlebury has a $1.6B endowment and they just got relief from paying the tax that they have had to cover the past few years.

Middlebury has a 'AA' credit rating in the same 'high investment grade' bucket as it NESCAC peers and higher than companies such as Nvidia.

You pop up on thread after thread with the same blather. In other threads there were a couple of others who also had no time for your nonsense. Move along Karen your lies are tiring.

You mean they overenrolled for four straight years? I am sure finances had nothing to do with it.

Just stop, you know thatthey didn't and people have posted the data before.